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RE: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Indu... - 11/3/2008 3:10:57 PM
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radiorobert
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This ought to give everyone a healthy respect for being informed and educating oneself on our true constitutional foundations and about actually learning what really makes things 'tick'
History will show that Obama, if elected, will be the single worst president our country has ever seen. He will, in effect, destroy our country.
When you have a populace that is so ignorant and ultimately doesn't really care, you reap what you sow. For us, it's Obama.
The same way Hitler came to power in Germany. He convinced people that their problems weren't of their own making or past mistakes, rather they were those of a certain group of people whom he happened to personally dislike. He was able to convince millions to think like he did. And look what happened.....
Not comparing Obama to Hitler in the physical sense, but we may in fact see a ruin in some manner, much like the Germans did.
No doubt, we'll see atrocities in the world as a result of our soft stance toward evil dictators b/c we'll have a President who doesn't understand what really makes things 'tick'. 
And thats the crux...people vote for someone who is like them. For many, Obama is like them. He speaks sweet nothings of hope, without really knowing what he's talking about. He is in fact the embodiment of the modern, disengaged American, who just wants stuff, for no other reason other than they feel entitled to it b/c back in 5th grade, in the 70's-90's, their teacher told them they deserved anything, cause they were a person of 'value', for no other reason than they walked on the earth and breathed.
Humans certainly have value, but only in their inherint God given right to "pursue" betterment and greatness through hard work, selflessness and the pursuit of his (God's) word. This is why so many young and old (but alot of young) miss the point on what it takes to live and succeed. They have grown up seeing celebrities rewarded for dancing around in front of a camera for a few days and making millions. Or, a parent who went to work each day, but came home with no visible stress, handed them everything they ever wanted, smiled and told them to take anything they want b/c thats how they were going 'win'.
The spoils of the nation our grandparents built have become the poison we are now drowning in.
The ungratefulness, dishonesty, greed and theivery go far beyond just the ocassional CEO who is up to no good. It goes into all of us.
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RE: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Indu... - 11/3/2008 3:51:51 PM
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So using coal has caused the sun spots that seem to have caused the warming of the sun and thus our planet's warming? I suppose it's all those carbon credits being bought that has caused them to cease and hence our own cooling down... 
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RE: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Indu... - 11/3/2008 7:44:11 PM
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If he does get elected at least we will have another senate election in 2 years. They will be throwing democrats out like they did the republicans when Bush's poll numbers were low.
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RE: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Indu... - 11/3/2008 8:19:53 PM
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Story below in link. (Can a moderator please make a link because that option STILL isn't functioning for me?)
http://media.newsbusters.org/stories/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry.html?q=blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry
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So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
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So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It's just that it will bankrupt them.
There is also an audio clip of the interview with one of America's most liberal newspapers. They clearly saw the danger in letting this policy of his get out, even if he didn't back in the early days of the year.
My biggest problem with this view is that his intent is to bankrupt. Bankrupt U.S. citizens. Bankrupt U.S. companies. The intent to bankrupt just does not sit right. He does not offer any kind of alternative for these people other than to bankrupt them. He does not think far enough in advance to understand that if he bankrupts the people who produce the power then he will also bankrupt companies who are dependent upon the power to manufacture the goods that the U.S. can sell. Which means more jobs go overseas. The more people will file bankruptcy.....ugh 
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RE: The BIG issue was NEWS SUPPRESSION - 11/3/2008 10:54:41 PM
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While this might not bother those that have been brainwashed by The One, it should.
The real story here is the fact that a critical bit of information that was gathered during an interview by a major paper was quashed because the paper felt that it would hurt Obama.
Actually this is wrong.
Sarah Palin has been saying that the newspaper tried to hide this interview on the campaign trail (which is probably where this rumor started), but Fox News looked into it and the above mentioned interview has been posted on the San Francisco Chronicle's website since January:
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MARIETTA, OH –-Sarah Palin unleashed a new attack today after an audio file of an interview Barack Obama did in January 2008 was reported on conservative blogs and linked on the Drudge Report. Palin accused the Democratic nominee of wanting to bankrupt the coal industry.
“Barack Obama explained his plan to the San Francisco Chronicle this year, early this year. And he said that, sure, if the industry wants to build coal fired power plants, then they can go ahead and try, he says, but they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry, and he’s comfortable letting that happen. And you gotta listen to the tape.
The audio file has been on the San Francisco Chronicle’s website since the January interview with its editorial board, but Palin accused the newspaper of withholding the information until right before the election.
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/02/palin-goes-after-obama-on-coal-comments/
So either Fox News is wrong, or Sarah Palin doesn't know what she's talking about.
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RE: The BIG issue was NEWS SUPPRESSION - 11/3/2008 11:06:59 PM
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Also, as the same Fox News article points out, Obama never says that he wants to bankrupt the coal industry, he was merely describing what would happen to a coal plant that tried to open a new plant which would not meet cap and trade environmental laws governing energy industries, i.e. they would most likely be fined into bankruptcy.
You can obvoiously disagree with these enviornmental standards, but if you are going to use this as an excuse to criticize Obama, you should also know that McCain himself has supported similar cap and trad regulations in the past.
From the Fox article:
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n the interview Obama spoke about his energy plan which includes an “aggressive” cap and trade policy which will charge polluters in an effort to curb greenhouse gas emissions. John McCain is also a supporter of cap and trade.
So as far as this issue is concerned, there really would be no difference between Obama or McCain, and it's entirely disingenuous of Palin to act as if new coal plants would be bankrupt from regulations under an Obama administration, when her own running mate has supported, and continues to support, similar environmental regulations.
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RE: The BIG issue was NEWS SUPPRESSION - 11/3/2008 11:26:31 PM
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Also, as the same Fox News article points out, Obama never says that he wants to bankrupt the coal industry, he was merely describing what would happen to a coal plant that tried to open a new plant which would not meet cap and trade environmental laws governing energy industries, i.e. they would most likely be fined into bankruptcy.
This doesn't contradict the notion that Obama's plans would bankrupt the industry. In fact it rather confirms it.
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So as far as this issue is concerned, there really would be no difference between Obama or McCain, and it's entirely disingenuous of Palin to act as if new coal plants would be bankrupt from regulations under an Obama administration, when her own running mate has supported, and continues to support, similar environmental regulations
Actually, no there is quite a bit of difference; while it might be said that McCain supported some aspects of cap and trade a number of years ago before the oil crisis hit, he has backed off of this considerably; only Obama seems oblivious to current realities.
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RE: The BIG issue was NEWS SUPPRESSION - 11/3/2008 11:41:01 PM
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henny
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Actually, no there is quite a bit of difference; while it might be said that McCain supported some aspects of cap and trade a number of years ago before the oil crisis hit, he has backed off of this considerably; only Obama seems oblivious to current realities.
Sure, if by "several years ago" you mean "this year."
From March 2008:
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Presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain is using the idea of global togetherness to promote “a cap-and-trade system” to battle climate change. He said “Americans and Europeans need to get serious about substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the coming years or we will hand over a much-diminished world to our grandchildren.”
According to the Arizona senator, whose opinion column appeared in the March 19 Financial Times, the United States needs to work with Europe to create a replacement for the Kyoto treaty.
“We need a successor to Kyoto, a cap-and-trade system that delivers the necessary environmental impact in an economically responsible manner.” He said America needs to be willing to be “persuaded” by our European allies. McCain’s column was headlined “America must be a good role model.”
http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080319133739.aspx
Romney criticized him during the primaries over this issue, for many of the same reasons Palin is criticizing Obama now.
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RE: The BIG issue was NEWS SUPPRESSION - 11/3/2008 11:50:20 PM
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Also, as the same Fox News article points out, Obama never says that he wants to bankrupt the coal industry, he was merely describing what would happen to a coal plant that tried to open a new plant which would not meet cap and trade environmental laws governing energy industries, i.e. they would most likely be fined into bankruptcy.
This doesn't contradict the notion that Obama's plans would bankrupt the industry. In fact it rather confirms it.
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So as far as this issue is concerned, there really would be no difference between Obama or McCain, and it's entirely disingenuous of Palin to act as if new coal plants would be bankrupt from regulations under an Obama administration, when her own running mate has supported, and continues to support, similar environmental regulations
Actually, no there is quite a bit of difference; while it might be said that McCain supported some aspects of cap and trade a number of years ago before the oil crisis hit, he has backed off of this considerably; only Obama seems oblivious to current realities.
He is the only one who is showing a profit this year. : 0
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RE: The BIG issue was NEWS SUPPRESSION - 11/4/2008 12:04:23 AM
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Jhud
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Sure, if by "several years ago" you mean "this year."
From March 2008:
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Presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain is using the idea of global togetherness to promote “a cap-and-trade system” to battle climate change. He said “Americans and Europeans need to get serious about substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the coming years or we will hand over a much-diminished world to our grandchildren.”
According to the Arizona senator, whose opinion column appeared in the March 19 Financial Times, the United States needs to work with Europe to create a replacement for the Kyoto treaty.
“We need a successor to Kyoto, a cap-and-trade system that delivers the necessary environmental impact in an economically responsible manner.” He said America needs to be willing to be “persuaded” by our European allies. McCain’s column was headlined “America must be a good role model.”
http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080319133739.aspx
Romney criticized him during the primaries over this issue, for many of the same reasons Palin is criticizing Obama now.
Well first off, McCain's plan calls for much less dramatic cuts to reach the goals he set for 2050. Secondly, while McCain has consistently supported clean coal technology as a means of continuing to use our coal resources, between Biden and Obama, such support has been at best tenative. And McCain actually supports real alternatives to coal like nuclear power, unlike Obama.
Picking Palin as a running mate signalled a significant departure for McCain from his previous global warming induced ideas; he seems to finally recognized that we are in no position to trade away our energy independence for the sake of environmentalist scare-mongering.
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RE: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Indu... - 11/4/2008 12:34:45 AM
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If they don't, God has allowed this country to stew in delusion, and He's going to allow us to reap what we have collectively sowed - rain falling on the just and unjust (but here in reverse - famine affecting the Godly as well as the ungodly).
I've been almost to the point of tears today after hearing this news. When you combine it with the higher taxes, how he says the only problem with gas prices going up earlier this year is how quickly it happened...this man is going to try to destroy our economy, and the democrats in congress will not stand in his way.
...or maybe God is punishing those who lived beyond their means and put greed ahead of sound financial practice....
...nah, blame it all on OBAMA who isn't even President.
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RE: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Indu... - 11/4/2008 6:01:34 AM
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You can't see or smell CO2.
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You know what would be more foolish than bankrupting an American industry? Bankrupting an American industry over a fairy tale whose support is diminishing among scientists. Especially in light of the data showing that warming ceased in 2001 and there has been a cooling trend. Especially in the face of the fact that the models for anthropogenic global warming require that the upper atmosphere warm first which it hasn't.
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