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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/3/2008 5:27:49 PM
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_jjp_
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When you consider that any Hawaiians and Alaskans that may have fought for us in World War 2 and Korea were not eligible to be president because neither of those two areas were states at the times of the mentioned conflicts I don't think the question is outrageous.
There is a huge difference between the situation mentioned above and McCains circumstances. McCains parents were both natural born US citizens who were stationed in Panama at the time of John's birth. Fighting for us in war is not a direct route to eligibility to be president, i do believe it is a qualifier for US citizenship though.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/3/2008 6:09:51 PM
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Uh... That's because we actually have a Constitution, Dan.
If one feels that the three simple qualifications for president aren't fair, then there is a process by which that Constitution can be amended.
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For example this is Senator Daniel Inouye's resume from WW 2 and he isn't eligible to be president:
Wow!
-Dan.
Boy, you like to assume things about me that aren't true, don't you?
I only intended to express my amazement at his deeds (which earned him the Medal of Honor).
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/3/2008 6:13:57 PM
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And neither am I! 
I still haven't given up, yet. I'm a bit frustrated that it's taking so long; but, hey! I have daughters and they don't always agree with me either. For instance, in talking to them about a Living Will, I found out that they have already been thinking about it. Here's the plan as they described it last night at dinner... for which I paid!
Just before I get REALLY senile, their husbands are going to invite me to go with them on a Mt. Everest climb... assuming that I will croak before reaching the summit. They will then prop me up and let me freeze with my arm in a waving position so that I can wave at all the climbers going up and down for the next century or so and my future progeny can view me with a telescope from time to time.
They think it solves the issue of long-term care costs quite nicely. But, I worry that one of the climbers will go to shake my hand and break off my thumb or my arm or something. So, while I think the solution has merit, I'm NOT SO sure it's the BEST idea. I think we need some more discussion on the aging thing. In the meantime, I'm going to put a little time into trying to determine WHO came up with idea first. There is a little matter of a WILL that might need to be re-addressed!!!
I'm trying to talk my wife into burying a robotic arm under my plot triggered by a motion sensor in my headstone so that it reaches up and grabs whomever walks by. She's not going for it yet, but I've got some time.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/3/2008 7:32:56 PM
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I know what you mean. Wives can fail to see the beauty of a little post-life humor. I have a younger cousin that I have charged with slipping on some of those hologram glasses on me in my casket that have eyes that follow you no matter where you are. But, for some reason my wife seems to think that's a little tasteless.
But, I'm betting that he hangs around until everyone leaves and then slips them on me just for OUR own amusement. 
I rather like your idea. Maybe I can put you in touch with my cousin.
But, we digress. Shouldn't I be beating up on you or something??? I'm SO easily confused! 
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And neither am I!
I still haven't given up, yet. I'm a bit frustrated that it's taking so long; but, hey! I have daughters and they don't always agree with me either. For instance, in talking to them about a Living Will, I found out that they have already been thinking about it. Here's the plan as they described it last night at dinner... for which I paid!
Just before I get REALLY senile, their husbands are going to invite me to go with them on a Mt. Everest climb... assuming that I will croak before reaching the summit. They will then prop me up and let me freeze with my arm in a waving position so that I can wave at all the climbers going up and down for the next century or so and my future progeny can view me with a telescope from time to time.
They think it solves the issue of long-term care costs quite nicely. But, I worry that one of the climbers will go to shake my hand and break off my thumb or my arm or something. So, while I think the solution has merit, I'm NOT SO sure it's the BEST idea. I think we need some more discussion on the aging thing. In the meantime, I'm going to put a little time into trying to determine WHO came up with idea first. There is a little matter of a WILL that might need to be re-addressed!!!
I'm trying to talk my wife into burying a robotic arm under my plot triggered by a motion sensor in my headstone so that it reaches up and grabs whomever walks by. She's not going for it yet, but I've got some time.
-Dan.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/3/2008 7:55:12 PM
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TMeeks... that face looks constipated.
Are you trying to say that Dan makes you... umm... "irregular"?
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/3/2008 10:33:21 PM
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I'll agree that the slap against McCain was a low class cheap shot (c'mon, IMA, you voted for Obama, just say it....).
As for the birth certificate, I've long thought it was a non-issue and wasted valuable time, so can we please let this poor dead horse rest in peace?
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/3/2008 11:21:11 PM
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Ah-h-h-h-h-h-h...
The sound of one sleeping as the man of their dreams plots their subjugation. Ya gotta love it.
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I'll agree that the slap against McCain was a low class cheap shot (c'mon, IMA, you voted for Obama, just say it....).
As for the birth certificate, I've long thought it was a non-issue and wasted valuable time, so can we please let this poor dead horse rest in peace?
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 11:36:31 AM
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Ah-h-h-h-h-h-h...
The sound of one sleeping as the man of their dreams plots their subjugation. Ya gotta love it.
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I'll agree that the slap against McCain was a low class cheap shot (c'mon, IMA, you voted for Obama, just say it....).
As for the birth certificate, I've long thought it was a non-issue and wasted valuable time, so can we please let this poor dead horse rest in peace?
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FYI, Sandman, I voted for McMaverick today. BTW, where's the transcript of that phone conversation?
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 12:31:26 PM
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Mark328
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I was raised in a military family, and was born in a US Army hospital in Germany. Even though my parents are US citizens and I was born on US government property, and am therefore a citizen, the fact that I was born in Germany disqualifies me from ever running for President. I think in McCain's case, Panama may be an exception to that rule.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 1:16:12 PM
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Obama's Online Birth Certificate Verified a FAKE by Hawaii "CNN, Factcheck.org and Obama campaign exposed as liars"
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One group says yes he was.
Another says no he wasn't.
Who do we believe. I guess the one we want to believe.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 1:17:38 PM
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Obama's Online Birth Certificate Verified a FAKE by Hawaii "CNN, Factcheck.org and Obama campaign exposed as liars"
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One group says yes he was.
Another says no he wasn't.
Who do we believe. I guess the one we want to believe.
Bad link. Got one that works?
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 1:18:35 PM
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Lapidoth
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I fixed it I think.
I liked the cartoons on "spreading the wealth."
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"Madelyn Dunham is the last surviving person who knows the truth about the switch. That is why as we closed in on Dunham, Obama went ballistic, cancelled his campaign and came to Hawai'i to head us off.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 1:22:43 PM
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I was raised in a military family, and was born in a US Army hospital in Germany. Even though my parents are US citizens and I was born on US government property, and am therefore a citizen, the fact that I was born in Germany disqualifies me from ever running for President. I think in McCain's case, Panama may be an exception to that rule.
Why do you think you are disqualified?
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 1:45:37 PM
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i really do not know if that qualifies. And you are taking this personally, I am not questioning the whole armed services, just mccain.
You are questioning whether a person born to ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY parents on a military base is a citizen. Our men in women in uniform voluntarily join and fight for us and are often required to be overseas and you have the audacity to question their childrens citizenship.
You could have made your point about his birth certificate without tossing in the offhanded comments about McCain.
This isn't a ridiculous question or an offensive one either. There are many men and women who serve on active duty and are not American citizens. These people are promised citizenshi, but they have to jump through hurdles to get their families stationed with them.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 2:13:00 PM
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i really do not know if that qualifies. And you are taking this personally, I am not questioning the whole armed services, just mccain.
You are questioning whether a person born to ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY parents on a military base is a citizen. Our men in women in uniform voluntarily join and fight for us and are often required to be overseas and you have the audacity to question their childrens citizenship.
You could have made your point about his birth certificate without tossing in the offhanded comments about McCain.
This isn't a ridiculous question or an offensive one either. There are many men and women who serve on active duty and are not American citizens. These people are promised citizenshi, but they have to jump through hurdles to get their families stationed with them.
Nice strawman but that wasn't my arguement. I was speaking specifically of McCain's situation in which both parents were American citizens stationed outside of the US and on active duty.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 2:51:29 PM
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To even feel the need to question whether a child born on a military base to an active duty military family is a citizen is disgusting and an affront to all of our men and women who dutifully serve all over the world.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 3:16:32 PM
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Dubya,
I was told by an Army lawyer when I was 11 years old that I couldn't run for President. We were doing a class project in the 6th grade (I was at a Department of Defense elementary school in Germany at the time) to see if those of us in class that were born in Germany were eligible to run for President and it turned out that NONE of us born in Germany were eligible, even though we were born on US Gov't property. Now, honestly, I haven't looked into it since then, so I don't know if the rules changed or not...
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 3:31:27 PM
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I have found a picture of Obama's actual birth certificate. Click HERE to see it.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 3:55:01 PM
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rlj
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I have found a picture of Obama's actual birth certificate. Click HERE to see it.
That is an obvious forgery! It is written in the Alabamian dialect and not in Hawaiian.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 4:23:13 PM
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Dubya,
I was told by an Army lawyer when I was 11 years old that I couldn't run for President. We were doing a class project in the 6th grade (I was at a Department of Defense elementary school in Germany at the time) to see if those of us in class that were born in Germany were eligible to run for President and it turned out that NONE of us born in Germany were eligible, even though we were born on US Gov't property. Now, honestly, I haven't looked into it since then, so I don't know if the rules changed or not...
My guess is that the Army lawyer was wrong. You were born to US citizens - that fact alone makes you a "Natural Born" citizen which qualifies you under the Constitution. There is a lot of confusion between the terms "natural born" and "native born" - you were not "native born" but that is not what the Constitution requires.
In all of this nonsense about Obama, one of the issues was regarding his status IF he was actually born in Kenya. His US citizen mother was under 21 years of age at the time he was born and I believe the guy filing that lawsuit claimed the rules about passing on "natural born" status requires that at least one of the parents be a US citizen over 21 years of age. Hence the potential problem for Obama. If at least one of your parents were 21 years of age AND a US citizen at the time of your birth... congratulations Mr. President!
The reason I am familiar with this is that I have 2 children who were born overseas. I was well over 21 and a US citizen when they were born. We had this very same debate with their elementary school teachers after coming back to the US.
Don't let some stupid lawyer steal you dreams. It amazes me how many are so ignorant.
P.S. Good luck on your campaign!
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 4:29:29 PM
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i really do not know if that qualifies. And you are taking this personally, I am not questioning the whole armed services, just mccain.
You are questioning whether a person born to ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY parents on a military base is a citizen. Our men in women in uniform voluntarily join and fight for us and are often required to be overseas and you have the audacity to question their childrens citizenship.
You could have made your point about his birth certificate without tossing in the offhanded comments about McCain.
This isn't a ridiculous question or an offensive one either. There are many men and women who serve on active duty and are not American citizens. These people are promised citizenship, but they have to jump through hurdles to get their families stationed with them.
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This isn't a ridiculous question or an offensive one either. There are many men and women who serve on active duty are not American citizens. These people are promised citizenship ,
Sounds like the same tactic the DEM Party uses to import illegal’s to vote… and its funny to a point that Obama can pull that off but someone on active duty and are not American citizens.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 4:34:56 PM
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I had heard about the birth certificate. I never thought this issue would really matter. Look at Clinton - a draft dodger and he was president - well he occupied the seat - for 8 years. I always thought being a draft dodger would disqualify you from even running for president.
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RE: Obama's Birth Cert Verified - 11/4/2008 5:04:17 PM
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Just for the record.
While the Hawaii department of records has examined and confirmed that a typewritten COLB (Certificate of Live Birth) is on file in their records, they have disclosed NOTHING else.
Apparently, a judge has set a hearing for November 16th.
Who knows what will come out of that hearing. But, until the FULL CONTENTS of the original birth certificate are revealed there is absolutely NO way to prove or disprove Obama was actually born in Hawaii. It only proves that he was REGISTERED in Hawaii. Under the Constitution those distinction are very, very different.
Actually, my inclination to believe that the original COLB does NOT confirm his birth in Hawaii is that he has steadfastly refused to produce it, when it would be so easy to do. I have trouble understanding why a person would work so hard to keep it from public view.
I'm hoping that we will not need to see the document. For, should he win this election and then it be revealed that he does NOT actually qualify under the Constitution to actually sit in the position that he just won it could result in a bloodbath of epic proportions.
Unfortunately, people will not blame the one that put him in that position. They will blame our country and the Constitution. They will claim trickery and subterfuge. Their anger at losing their grasp of "hope and change" is going to be enormous. The question is, who will they think decieved them? And, what will HE do?
Folks it's not over... but, I wish it were. However, if it comes to peace at the cost of distaining the Constitution than I have to stand by the Constitution and let the chips fall where they may.
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