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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/24/2008 1:13:21 PM
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TMeeks
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Andy Martin's lawsuit was thrown out last week. But, the reasons were very interesting and just a little bizzarre.
Here is Andy Martin's announcement.
Mr. Martin wasn't even notified of the ruling. He found out from someone that read it at this newspaper's web site.
The bizarre part comes in from the fact that the judge wrote that Andy Martin hadn't proved a 'public interest' and in the SAME story, we find that the state had been inundatexd with requests for copies of the birth certificate. Go figure.
I will say this. In the past, when journalists were journalists, that would have been followed up with a research story in and of itself. The reporter should be ashamed of themselves for the drivel they call reporting. I WILL be writing him to tell him so.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/24/2008 1:31:12 PM
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For anyone left that doesn't believe they (DNC, media, most court systems and judges) are all drinking the same Kool-Aid had better wake up before it's too late. Well, maybe it already is too late. 
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
Andy Martin's lawsuit was thrown out last week. But, the reasons were very interesting and just a little bizzarre.
Here is Andy Martin's announcement.
Mr. Martin wasn't even notified of the ruling. He found out from someone that read it at this newspaper's web site.
The bizarre part comes in from the fact that the judge wrote that Andy Martin hadn't proved a 'public interest' and in the SAME story, we find that the state had been inundatexd with requests for copies of the birth certificate. Go figure.
I will say this. In the past, when journalists were journalists, that would have been followed up with a research story in and of itself. The reporter should be ashamed of themselves for the drivel they call reporting. I WILL be writing him to tell him so.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/24/2008 1:41:00 PM
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
Andy Martin's lawsuit was thrown out last week. But, the reasons were very interesting and just a little bizzarre.
Here is Andy Martin's announcement.
Mr. Martin wasn't even notified of the ruling. He found out from someone that read it at this newspaper's web site.
The bizarre part comes in from the fact that the judge wrote that Andy Martin hadn't proved a 'public interest' and in the SAME story, we find that the state had been inundatexd with requests for copies of the birth certificate. Go figure.
I will say this. In the past, when journalists were journalists, that would have been followed up with a research story in and of itself. The reporter should be ashamed of themselves for the drivel they call reporting. I WILL be writing him to tell him so.
"Public interest" is not the same thing as public curiosity or a PR campaign waged by an interenet "giant" like Andy Martin. There is nothing new here.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/24/2008 3:00:42 PM
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TMeeks
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What IS 'new' is the failure of so-called 'reporters' to do their job to dig for the truth, no matter what that truth may be.
For instance, I could only find TWO news sources in Hawaii that covered the story at all. And, they both looked like they were written from the same press releases. Not a single news agency in Hawaii followed up with even ONE single question of Ms. Fukino or the spokesperson for the court.
That, as far as I am concerned, is a BLATANT dereliction of duty.
Just reading the stories leads me to instantly think of questions that could have been and should have asked. Unless Hawaii's news organizations are on the parr with those in Lost Springs, Wyoming (Pop: 1) then there is either massive apathy in the news room or fear of the public consequences of 'dissing' a local that made it into the White House.
I understand that Honolulu isn't a major market... or, even a mini-major market. But, surely the papers know what is going on in the courthouse.
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
Andy Martin's lawsuit was thrown out last week. But, the reasons were very interesting and just a little bizzarre.
Here is Andy Martin's announcement.
Mr. Martin wasn't even notified of the ruling. He found out from someone that read it at this newspaper's web site.
The bizarre part comes in from the fact that the judge wrote that Andy Martin hadn't proved a 'public interest' and in the SAME story, we find that the state had been inundatexd with requests for copies of the birth certificate. Go figure.
I will say this. In the past, when journalists were journalists, that would have been followed up with a research story in and of itself. The reporter should be ashamed of themselves for the drivel they call reporting. I WILL be writing him to tell him so.
"Public interest" is not the same thing as public curiosity or a PR campaign waged by an interenet "giant" like Andy Martin. There is nothing new here.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/24/2008 3:25:05 PM
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TMeeks
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It's certainly getting CLOSE to too late. Reporting is about being skeptical of 'official stories' and followup with questions, investigations and general snooping. The Hawaii press seems like it simply likes to repeat the official pablum and call it news... or, simply ignore a story to avoid charges that they have not followed up.
Try to find the story of the dismissal in the available Hawaii news outlets... of which there are dozens. Isn't a bit strange that only two even mention the story? That, to me, reflects a fear of opening a can of worms by having to actually do some follow-up reporting and asking hard questions.
To some extent, I sympathize with them. After all, how many presidents have come from Hawaii. But, unlike Virginia, with it MANY presidents... and many BIRTHPLACES of presidents, Hawaai may not be able to capitalize on the birth of their president's birthplace. Right now they would have to put historic markers in front of two different hospitals since Obama and his sister can't agree on which one it was.
But, what we MAY see, 8 years from now, is a historic marker in front of the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Kenya claiming that "The first African-American president was born here". 
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
For anyone left that doesn't believe they (DNC, media, most court systems and judges) are all drinking the same Kool-Aid had better wake up before it's too late. Well, maybe it already is too late.
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
Andy Martin's lawsuit was thrown out last week. But, the reasons were very interesting and just a little bizzarre.
Here is Andy Martin's announcement.
Mr. Martin wasn't even notified of the ruling. He found out from someone that read it at this newspaper's web site.
The bizarre part comes in from the fact that the judge wrote that Andy Martin hadn't proved a 'public interest' and in the SAME story, we find that the state had been inundatexd with requests for copies of the birth certificate. Go figure.
I will say this. In the past, when journalists were journalists, that would have been followed up with a research story in and of itself. The reporter should be ashamed of themselves for the drivel they call reporting. I WILL be writing him to tell him so.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/24/2008 3:34:36 PM
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Lapidoth
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That will not be a surprise at all.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/24/2008 10:49:15 PM
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TMeeks
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Here is an interesting web site where the owner of the site has written to the Supreme Court in support of quick action regarding the Berg lawsuit.
But, it is the Alan Keyes lawsuit that I'm most interested in following and the one of which I know the least.
And this interesting site that simply filed a FOI request.
But, there is an interesting find that had this to say:
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Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence.
So... I followed up! It was a bit difficult because it is really Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8
So, here is the most important fact of all.
Any parent of a child born outside of Hawaii can register that child IN Hawaii as long as they lived for at least a year in Hawaii prior to the birth of the child. They have up to a year to register the child.
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[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
Here is the link to Hawaii's web site.
So, if he were born in Kenya, he could be legally registered in Hawaii without having been born there. In that case, his Certificate of Live Borth would rightly reflect that he was registered in Hawaii. But, his actual birth (if Kenya) would disqualify him from being President. That, I believe may be why the COB was displayed; but, the original Certificate of Live Birth has been withheld.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 10:27:48 AM
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
What IS 'new' is the failure of so-called 'reporters' to do their job to dig for the truth, no matter what that truth may be.
For instance, I could only find TWO news sources in Hawaii that covered the story at all. And, they both looked like they were written from the same press releases. Not a single news agency in Hawaii followed up with even ONE single question of Ms. Fukino or the spokesperson for the court.
That, as far as I am concerned, is a BLATANT dereliction of duty.
Nobody is covering it because almost nobody cares. Esp. since the suit had no chance and may well have been just a publicity stunt by "super internet giant master genius" Andy Martin.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 11:28:54 AM
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Lapidoth
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So, here is the most important fact of all.
Any parent of a child born outside of Hawaii can register that child IN Hawaii as long as they lived for at least a year in Hawaii prior to the birth of the child. They have up to a year to register the child.
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[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
This may set a precedent for other alien people to run for President.
Like cow says.....................nobody cares of which cow is one.
Except those who still hold to the rule of law and the Constitution.
Of which I am one. In this regard, we can see the condition of
the country, and the condition of the church overlapping.
No one cares what the "law" says, and many of those same ones
don't care what the "bible" says.
In study this morning we also discussed the non-right to vote for President
and the Electoral-college. It's so nice that their are not rights to "vote"
what God means in His Word. There is the electoral-college of three.
The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. And He is still in charge.
Whether it's Bill Clinton (the first black president) or Barak Obama
(the first muslim president), God's in control. Those who are covered
for real by the Blood of the Lamb will be passed over. Protected.
Nothing to fear, but we are still to be concerned.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 3:08:13 PM
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TMeeks
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Cow,
Someday you are going to regret your cavalier attitude about the preciousness of the Constitution. I don't know how long that will be or when it will come or why it will come. But, seeing where we are headed I simply KNOW that it WILL come.
When you destroy the rock all you have is sand and when all you have is sand then you have no stable foundation. When you get what you desire it will be what you deserve... and, you can look back and remember that I told you so.
There are only three requirements for a person to meet to be president. Only THREE. And, you don't care about one of them.
OK. So, now according to you we're down to TWO that matter. And, one is that the person have been in this country for 14 years. But, hey! That's got to be an arbitrary number too. So, we can through that out. After all, wouldn't it be GOOD to have a president that was one with the World? And, what better way to be one with the world than to live abroad.
Now we are down to one. Only ONE that matters. And, lo and behold, THAT'S an arbitrary number, too. So, wouldn't it be wiser to go with the smartest person no matter WHAT the age? And, we ALL know that 20 year olds are THE smartest people on earth. Just ask them. Besides who better to capture the YOUTH VOTE than a 20 year old!!!
So, in the end we have a twenty year old wiz-kid born of American parents in Barbados, never having lived in the continental United States that garners enough of the Youth Vote to capture the presidency. But, that won't matter to you, will it?
Because, after all that old, lame piece of paper is FLAWED according to Obama and Cow. So, why bother with any of it.
But, as I say... if you live long enough, then you are going to come to realize that the ragged piece of paper that you so cavalerly ignore in its details is what kept your rear end free.
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Like cow says.....................nobody cares of which cow is one.
He doesn't care so very much that he lets us know so everyday.
Preach it, brother!
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 3:12:47 PM
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TMeeks
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The problem has become is that those who don't care now outnumber those that do. Like sheep...but, WAY way more stupid than sheep. Even sheep are smarter than to help build their own slaughter house pens.
What is really sad is how they revel in their stupidity by bragging that they don't care.
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So, here is the most important fact of all.
Any parent of a child born outside of Hawaii can register that child IN Hawaii as long as they lived for at least a year in Hawaii prior to the birth of the child. They have up to a year to register the child.
quote:
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
This may set a precedent for other alien people to run for President.
Like cow says.....................nobody cares of which cow is one.
Except those who still hold to the rule of law and the Constitution.
Of which I am one. In this regard, we can see the condition of
the country, and the condition of the church overlapping.
No one cares what the "law" says, and many of those same ones
don't care what the "bible" says.
In study this morning we also discussed the non-right to vote for President
and the Electoral-college. It's so nice that their are not rights to "vote"
what God means in His Word. There is the electoral-college of three.
The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. And He is still in charge.
Whether it's Bill Clinton (the first black president) or Barak Obama
(the first muslim president), God's in control. Those who are covered
for real by the Blood of the Lamb will be passed over. Protected.
Nothing to fear, but we are still to be concerned.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 4:21:06 PM
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Cow,
Someday you are going to regret your cavalier attitude about the preciousness of the Constitution. I don't know how long that will be or when it will come or why it will come. But, seeing where we are headed I simply KNOW that it WILL come.
When you destroy the rock all you have is sand and when all you have is sand then you have no stable foundation. When you get what you desire it will be what you deserve... and, you can look back and remember that I told you so.
There are only three requirements for a person to meet to be president. Only THREE. And, you don't care about one of them.
The Constitution also supports the presumption of innocence, states' rights and the right to privacy. In this case, the "accusers" have yet to present anything but innuendo and rumor (where is that transcript, anyway?) in an effort to access records in the legal possession of of the State of Hawaii. Court orders are not meant for "fishing expeditions" or to satisfy curiosity or support PR campaigns.
Apparently the Republican Party and its candidate don't care about the constitution, either, huh.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 4:24:34 PM
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Court orders are not meant for "fishing expeditions" or to satisfy curiosity or support PR campaigns.
Tell that to Joe the Plumber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 4:32:09 PM
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If you were in his shoes, wouldn't you produce your birth certificate for all to see, just to fend off the "bad guys" in the spirit of "change," good will, reaching across the aisle, etc? What's he got to lose? ................ Unless of course there's really something to hide.
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
Cow,
Someday you are going to regret your cavalier attitude about the preciousness of the Constitution. I don't know how long that will be or when it will come or why it will come. But, seeing where we are headed I simply KNOW that it WILL come.
When you destroy the rock all you have is sand and when all you have is sand then you have no stable foundation. When you get what you desire it will be what you deserve... and, you can look back and remember that I told you so.
There are only three requirements for a person to meet to be president. Only THREE. And, you don't care about one of them.
The Constitution also supports the presumption of innocence, states' rights and the right to privacy. In this case, the "accusers" have yet to present anything but innuendo and rumor (where is that transcript, anyway?) in an effort to access records in the legal possession of of the State of Hawaii. Court orders are not meant for "fishing expeditions" or to satisfy curiosity or support PR campaigns.
Apparently the Republican Party and its candidate don't care about the constitution, either, huh.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:15:55 PM
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cow451
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Court orders are not meant for "fishing expeditions" or to satisfy curiosity or support PR campaigns.
Tell that to Joe the Plumber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still does not justify it.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:27:37 PM
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If you were in his shoes, wouldn't you produce your birth certificate for all to see, just to fend off the "bad guys" in the spirit of "change," good will, reaching across the aisle, etc? What's he got to lose? ................ Unless of course there's really something to hide.
If "somebody" wanted to see my birth certificate, I'd show the one I have that the Commonwealth of Virginia gave me (after a fee, of course). In fact, the US State Dept. did ask me for it, now that you mention it. The State department was so impressed, they granted me a passport. Has my picture on it and everything.
If "somebody" questioned the authenticity, I would politely (or not-so-politely) direct him/her to the Office of Vital Records. If the Office of Vital Records turned this curious individual away, too bad. If that individual persisted, he/she could truck on down to a state court and plead his/her case.
Now, if I could not recall my birth, I would have to rely on documents such as the above to arrive at the conclusion that I was, indeed, born in Virginia.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:40:05 PM
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Good grief, are you guys still around beating this ol' dead horse?
As for sanctimonious justifications about upholding the constitution? Not for one second do I believe that any of you would be carrying on the same way if it was John McCain or Sarah Palin's citizenship that was in question. The truth is that you hate the idea of Barack Obama being president -- not because you believe he is constitionally unqualified, just because... period.
That's fine -- nothing to be ashamed of there, but why not just admit what we all know already?
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:47:16 PM
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The truth is that you hate the idea of Barack Obama being president -- not because you believe he is constitionally unqualified, just because... period.
Can't it be both?
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:53:48 PM
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By the way, how do you lot explain away the announcement of Barack Obama's birth in the "Births, Marriages, and Deaths" column of the Honolulu Advertiser? Investigators looked into and found that, back then, the newspaper would automatically print the births as they were passed along from the local hospitals to the local vital records office. Obama's parents did not pay or take any action to have their son's name included in the paper.
If he was not born in a Honolulu hospital, his name would not have been published where it was in that column, and there is absolutely no reason for Obama's parents to have somehow conspired with the hospital or the newspaper to get it included, since even if being born in Kenya to a natural born citizen disqualified him from running for president (which it doesn't) he would still have been an American citizen and fully qualified for everything that American citizenship (natural and naturalized) afforded him.
It makes for a great conspiracy theory, but it doesn't come close to passing the common sense test.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:55:13 PM
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The truth is that you hate the idea of Barack Obama being president -- not because you believe he is constitionally unqualified, just because... period.
Can't it be both?
Just don't pretend to have objectivity. That's why you cannot understand the legal rulings.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:56:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
By the way, how do you lot explain away the announcement of Barack Obama's birth in the "Births, Marriages, and Deaths" column of the Honolulu Advertiser? Investigators looked into and found that, back then, the newspaper would automatically print the births as they were passed along from the local hospitals to the local vital records office. Obama's parents did not pay or take any action to have their son's name included in the paper.
If he was not born in a Honolulu hospital, his name would not have been published where it was in that column, and there is absolutely no reason for Obama's parents to have somehow conspired with the hospital or the newspaper to get it included, since even if being born in Kenya to a natural born citizen disqualified him from running for president (which it doesn't) he would still have been an American citizen and fully qualified for everything that American citizenship (natural and naturalized) afforded him.
It makes for a great conspiracy theory, but it doesn't come close to passing the common sense test.
It was a common practice in my area well into the 1970's.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:56:55 PM
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tacitus
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ORIGINAL: HighPlainsDrifter
Can't it be both?
Theoretically, yes, but in practice the vast majority belong to the PUMAs crowd (of which Berg is one) and the FreeRepublic crowd (Andy Martin) and they are all united by one thing -- hatred of Barack Obama.
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RE: Andy Martin Hearing took place - 11/25/2008 5:59:44 PM
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Just don't pretend to have objectivity. That's why you cannot understand the legal rulings.
I won't pretend to have any more or less objectivity than anyone else posting.
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