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Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 1:14:11 PM
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tafkam
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Found these on the web this morning, pretty much sums up the man....
One question about Obama that has never been satisfactorily answered is "What has he ever accomplished?" The best his supporters can come up with is "He was elected to the U.S. Senate." So was John McCain ... several times. Besides, take a look at his election. He had two opponents self-destruct with scandal. The GOP had to go to Maryland and talk Alan Keyes into moving to Illinois to run against Obama. Trust me, that win was no sterling accomplishment.
Obama is a product of the Chicago political machine. Several times during his political career Obama had a chance to either cast a vote or make a statement against the corruption that permeates Chicago's machine. Never – not on one occasion – did he do so.
The fact is, Obama has benefited from corruption (Tony Rezko?) but has never fought it.
Do you know how Obama won his first election in Illinois? He had campaign operatives go to the voting office and work hundreds of hours pouring over petitions to have his opponents thrown off the ballot. I guess that means that this is the first real election battle he's ever been in!
I guess it's just me, but all this time I thought that the government used its power to seize property ... i.e., to tax ... in order to fund the necessary and appropriate functions of government. Now, under Obama, we've learned that one of the appropriate functions of government is to take from those who have and give to those who have not. I prefer a different phraseology: Take from those who achieve, and give to those who achieve not. Karl Marx was of a like mind.
Obama's "spread the wealth around" mantra means that he believes that we do not leave our homes every morning to work for ourselves and our families. We leave our homes to work for the government. We belong to government, not to ourselves. The government will determine how much of the money we earn we deserve to keep .. the rest goes to people the government believes to be even more deserving of the fruits of our labors.
Obama says he's going to give tax cuts to 95% of Americans. Americans don't realize that over 40% of their numbers don't pay income taxes; and since they don't realize that, they aren't asking themselves how Obama can give a tax cut to someone who doesn't pay taxes.
Obama has effectively change the definition of "tax cut." From now on any government handout to any worker is a tax cut. Changing this definition may well be one of their greatest accomplishments in this election and that new definition will cause us problems for decades.
Obama constantly rants about those dirty corporations who shipped "our jobs overseas." An educated voter knows that those jobs belong to the employers, not the employees. Workers look for jobs. Employers with jobs look for workers. Pretty simple, really.
Over the weekend Obama promised to bankrupt the coal industry if they tried to build any more coal-fired power plants. Can any of you think of a time when any president has ever made an overt threat to bankrupt a large American industry?
Obama says that his "cap and trade" policy for controlling greenhouse gas emissions is going to cost electricity prices to "skyrocket." Oops ... there goes some of that middle class "tax cut." Guess he'll have to transfer some more wealth to help his constituents pay the increased price.
The top 10% of income earners in this country pay over 70% of all income taxes. The top 1% of income earners earn around 19% of all income, but they pay almost 39% of all income taxes. When these people don't want to give up a larger share of their earnings Obama call's them "selfish."
When someone is content to sit on their butts and wait for Obama to transfer some wealth from someone else to their pockets they are not "selfish."
Obama will definitely destroy your right to be armed outside of your own home for your own protection. The question is whether we count the time until he accomplishes this in days, weeks, months or years.
Surveys in Israel show that 76% of Israeli citizens want McCain to win. American Jews will vote for Obama by pretty much the same percentage. What do Jews in Israel know that Jews in America do not?
Obama has talked about reducing spending on our military. One leading Democrat Senator has suggested a 25% spending cut on defense. Do you feel comfortable with that? You do know that all of the savings would be spent on buying votes, don't you?
Do you home school your children? Obama has called home schooling a fraud. Put him in office and you'll be putting your kids back in government schools for their indoctrination.
Do you run a small business? If Obama wins start planning immediately to lower your work force. The best way to do this would be through efficiency measures and temporary staffing agencies. Not only is Obama going to make it easier for your workers to unionize ... he's going to expand onerous measures such as the Family Leave Act. You will end up paying your employees a good portion of their salary to lay out for weeks on end.
Maybe you shop at Wal-Mart. Get ready for higher prices. Obama's instant unionization bill will surely result in the unionization of Wal-Mart's workforce. In fact, as much as Democrat politicians hate Wal-Mart, it's safe to say that Wal-Mart is target number one. The result? Higher prices for you. If Obama can call a government handout a tax cut, we can call higher prices a tax increase. This will be Obama's tax increase on the poor and the middle class.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 1:27:18 PM
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huangshan
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Cite? I find stuff on the web too, but I know most of the stuff on the web is worthless.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 1:34:54 PM
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tafkam
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Hey, if the left can quote from Daily Kooks or Huffington Post, I can quote opinion from the High Priest.....
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 1:37:36 PM
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Depends upon where and for what you are looking.
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Cite? I find stuff on the web too, but I know most of the stuff on the web is worthless.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 1:39:46 PM
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Maybe you shop at Wal-Mart. Get ready for higher prices. Obama's instant unionization bill will surely result in the unionization of Wal-Mart's workforce. In fact, as much as Democrat politicians hate Wal-Mart, it's safe to say that Wal-Mart is target number one. The result? Higher prices for you. If Obama can call a government handout a tax cut, we can call higher prices a tax increase. This will be Obama's tax increase on the poor and the middle class.
We've covered the rest of this before, so I'll only address this: I haven't heard anything about his "instant unionization policy" and have still only seen it mentioned in reference to some of Neil Boortz's comments.
That said, if Wal-Mart has to start charging higher prices, good. The race to the bottom in terms of prices and wages hurts lots of people and only helps those at the very top. Constantly expecting more for less is unrealistic; we've bought into a lie.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 1:50:48 PM
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That said, if Wal-Mart has to start charging higher prices, good. GOOD?
Yes, good. Why do you think our manufacturing jobs have all been exported to China? Because people expect everything to be dirt cheap. What good is being able to pay $150 for a tv or $300 for a computer if you can't find a job to make that money in the first place?
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 1:59:15 PM
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We've covered the rest of this before, so I'll only address this: I haven't heard anything about his "instant unionization policy" and have still only seen it mentioned in reference to some of Neil Boortz's comments.
I believe he's referring to "card check". Here's the first link Google returned for me. Basically it abolishes secret ballots, so that everyone knows exactly how you vote on unionization. Leaving workers open to intimidation tactics and/or retaliation.
It has already come up in the Senate and was filibustered by the Republicans.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 2:01:55 PM
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So you've really bought into the lie that ALL our manufacturing jobs are overseas. That's a shame. Matter of fact, I was just in a Walmart over the weekend and I bought a pair of pant that were made right here in the USA. Excellent price on them too.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 2:03:40 PM
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stamper_ben
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I believe he's referring to "card check". Here's the first link Google returned for me. Basically it abolishes secret ballots, so that everyone knows exactly how you vote on unionization. Leaving workers open to intimidation tactics and/or retaliation.
It has already come up in the Senate and was filibustered by the Republicans. Can kiss that filibustering goodbye after the new Democrat supermajority is seated... 
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 2:33:26 PM
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So you've really bought into the lie that ALL our manufacturing jobs are overseas.
Fine, please forgive my slightly exaggerated hyperbole. How's this: a significant percentage of our manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas.
Maybe you were able to find a pair of pants made in the USA, but I bet you didn't find much else there of domestic origin (except some food), did you?
-Dan.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 2:47:07 PM
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The food is the main thing. Local stuff too!
But as in all purchases I look for made in USA AND I look for the best prices. Doesn't matter what store I'm in, Target, Lowes, Walgreens, Sears. The attack on Walmart though is just indicative of the left's hatred for a successful business model.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 3:40:44 PM
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The food is the main thing. Local stuff too!
But as in all purchases I look for made in USA AND I look for the best prices. Doesn't matter what store I'm in, Target, Lowes, Walgreens, Sears. The attack on Walmart though is just indicative of the left's hatred for a successful business model.
There's nothing wrong with looking for the best prices. And it's not a "hatred of a successful business model;" it's the detriment that business model has on the rest of our society. Giving large tax breaks to entice a Wal-Mart to come to town puts them at a competitive advantage over smaller, locally-owned businesses. Their availability requirements and wacky (but efficient) scheduling make it very difficult for an employee to find a 2nd job to supplement the low pay. The constant downward price pressure they put on suppliers and competitors can result in some areas of improved efficiency, but it can also result in reduced wages and an overall lower living standard. When it's all said and done, the only thing we Americans have a chance at making and selling ourselves are high-end specialty items that cater to a niche market.
What I want to know is: is it worth it? Is having cheap "stuff" worth the price we pay by forcing everybody else to a position of lower wages and overall lower standard of living?
FWIW, no, I don't think Wal-Mart is the only chain guilty of this. In some things they seem to be worse than others (namely, computerized scheduling and supplier pressures), but they're not alone.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 3:40:53 PM
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The top 10% of income earners in this country pay over 70% of all income taxes.
just for anyone who is interested, these stats come directly from the IRS.
According to the IRS as of last October....
The top 1% paid 39% of the total taxes
The top 5% paid 60%
The top 10% paid 70%
The top 25% paid 85%
The top 50% paid 97%
And the bottom 50% paid only 3% of the total taxes
To make 1%, one needed to earn $364,657, to make top 5%, the break point was $145,283, to make it to the top 10%, one needed $103,912; the break for the top 25% was at $62,068, and for the top 50%, the break was at $30,811.
Interesting.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 3:51:39 PM
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The food is the main thing. Local stuff too!
But as in all purchases I look for made in USA AND I look for the best prices. Doesn't matter what store I'm in, Target, Lowes, Walgreens, Sears. The attack on Walmart though is just indicative of the left's hatred for a successful business model.
NOt really. I am a dem and I shop at Wal-Mart but I will think twice before I buy a toy or baby item not made here in the USA. I had to throw out way to many things that had lead in them from China.
Again I agree with the poster about Unionizeing the way it was used. Wal-mart does pay there employees less what they are worth and it would not hurt to pay a bit more for things in there to pay their employees more and or help cover there medical benifits that are offered.
I live in a Union state but also it's more Rep than Dep believe it or not. We are one of the battlefield states. I do believe in Unions. My x-husband makes a great living but he had to work to learn his skills before he was able to work in that union. He EARNED his Union rights to better pay.
So Unions are not actually a bad thing. I know quite a few Rep that are union members as well cause they are not stupid and know the difference between working a Union job versus not working a union job.
There are quite a few things I do refuse to buy at Wal-mart. I'd rather pay a higher price and get the quality for my money. Clothes are bought few and far there and any meat I won't purchase there either.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 4:59:24 PM
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Try making ends meet on around $30,000 a year and think its "good" to have to pay more for shopping because a store has HAD to become unionized. 
If you can't make ends meet at $30,000 a year than you are doing something wrong. Stop trying to live like a king and cut back some.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 7:18:29 PM
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If you can't make ends meet at $30,000 a year than you are doing something wrong. Stop trying to live like a king and cut back some. That depends on where he lives and whether he's trying to support himself or a family. My son is single and makes just over $30K a year and cannot afford to live on his own without a roomie -- and he still doesn't have much left over. He does have some debt, but not a lot.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 8:05:06 PM
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I thought the government was going to take care of us. That's what the Demokrats have been force feeding us for years.
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That said, if Wal-Mart has to start charging higher prices, good. GOOD?
Yes, good. Why do you think our manufacturing jobs have all been exported to China? Because people expect everything to be dirt cheap. What good is being able to pay $150 for a tv or $300 for a computer if you can't find a job to make that money in the first place?
-Dan.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 8:27:47 PM
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Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama
The first word God gave me in the beginning when I first heard Obama before I even saw him in real time
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I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
SO the first word was "no" for Obama... and so it will be the last.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 8:53:42 PM
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I actually kind of like Wal*Mart, despite my liberal leanings.
It's mostly because I think that people who think that the U.S. will continue to have a thriving manufacturing industry in the face of globalization are deluding themselves. It's also because I really don't like small towns (bastions of conservatism) and Wal*Mart absolutely guts the small-town economy. Where do Wal*Marts do the least harm? Big, cosmopolitan, liberal cities. Wal*Marts are ultimately good for liberalism.
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RE: Final Things To Consider Before Voting For Obama... - 11/3/2008 9:29:37 PM
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I actually kind of like Wal*Mart, despite my liberal leanings.
It's mostly because I think that people who think that the U.S. will continue to have a thriving manufacturing industry in the face of globalization are deluding themselves. It's also because I really don't like small towns (bastions of conservatism) and Wal*Mart absolutely guts the small-town economy. Where do Wal*Marts do the least harm? Big, cosmopolitan, liberal cities. Wal*Marts are ultimately good for liberalism.
LOL! WOW!
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