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Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/3/2008 8:59:07 PM
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - A report has cleared Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin of ethics violations in the firing of her public safety commissioner. Released Monday, the report says there is no probable cause to believe Palin or any other state official violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with the firing. The report was prepared by Timothy Petumenos, an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board. NiceGuy
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/3/2008 9:04:13 PM
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Two thumbs up!! Too bad it came the day before the election rather than two weeks ago.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/3/2008 10:29:26 PM
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didn't she appoint this group herself?
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/3/2008 11:12:07 PM
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didn't she appoint this group herself? What part of "Timothy Petumenos, an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board." don't you understand?
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 12:55:52 AM
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didn't she appoint this group herself? What part of "Timothy Petumenos, an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board." don't you understand? who appoints the alaska personnel board? hmm. the first investigation has an independent investigator assigned by a bi-partisan committee consisting of mostly republicans.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 1:16:54 AM
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ORIGINAL: HighPlainsDrifter You're right ex, the R behind their name denotes a complete absence of honesty. yea, i don't think you get what i'm saying. the first committee - that found her guilty - was made up of mostly republicans, so it's not like they were "in the tank" for obama. this new investigation was done by people who were, in fact, appointed by palin.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 1:17:10 AM
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who appoints the alaska personnel board? hmm. the first investigation has an independent investigator assigned by a bi-partisan committee consisting of mostly republicans. Independent counsel is just what it says; independent. And when it looked like there was going to be a claim of an ethics violation, no hypocritical lefties claimed the board was 'biased' ...until it didn't go their way. Wonder why that is?
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 1:19:27 AM
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who appoints the alaska personnel board? hmm. the first investigation has an independent investigator assigned by a bi-partisan committee consisting of mostly republicans. Independent counsel is just what it says; independent. And when it looked like there was going to be a claim of an ethics violation, no hypocritical lefties claimed the board was 'biased' ...until it didn't go their way. Wonder why that is? she appointed that board. what don't you get? there was already an investigation done on this, and she was found guilty. this new investigation doesn't make anything worse for obama anyways, it's too late in the game and all it does is cancel out the first investigation. it doesn't prove anything. so, no, the lefties aren't upset that things here aren't "going their way", i just wanted to point out some facts. you can keep ignoring them though.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 1:29:08 AM
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she appointed that board. what don't you get? there was already an investigation done on this, and she was found guilty. this new investigation doesn't make anything worse for obama anyways, it's too late in the game and all it does is cancel out the first investigation. it doesn't prove anything. so, no, the lefties aren't upset that things here aren't "going their way", i just wanted to point out some facts. you can keep ignoring them though. She did not appoint the board, her predecessor did. And the independent counsel who prepared the report is a Democrat. Stop making things up.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 1:38:04 AM
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she appointed that board. what don't you get? there was already an investigation done on this, and she was found guilty. this new investigation doesn't make anything worse for obama anyways, it's too late in the game and all it does is cancel out the first investigation. it doesn't prove anything. so, no, the lefties aren't upset that things here aren't "going their way", i just wanted to point out some facts. you can keep ignoring them though. She did not appoint the board, her predecessor did. And the independent counsel who prepared the report is a Democrat. Stop making things up. the governor appoints them, and even if she didn't appoint all of them - they're still "her" people. but like i said, this proves nothing. ETA: "Van Flein [her attorney] said the investigation should be handled by the state Personnel Board, not the Legislature, because it's "statutorily mandated" to handle ethics cases. The three-member Personnel Board is appointed by the governor." http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/513137.html
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 1:42:41 AM
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the governor appoints them, and even if she didn't appoint all of them - they're still "her" people. but like i said, this proves nothing. So before you said, "she appointed that board". I pointed out that she didn't appoint any of them, but her predecessor who she ran against did, and you act as if that is the same thing. That is why so little of what the left says is believable; they make up a fact in one post, then when they are shown definitively that the 'fact' is incorrect, they still act as if it isn't. You are still delusional about this particular set of events.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 1:49:42 AM
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the governor appoints them, and even if she didn't appoint all of them - they're still "her" people. but like i said, this proves nothing. So before you said, "she appointed that board". I pointed out that she didn't appoint any of them, but her predecessor who she ran against did, and you act as if that is the same thing. That is why so little of what the left says is believable; they make up a fact in one post, then when they are shown definitively that the 'fact' is incorrect, they still act as if it isn't. You are still delusional about this particular set of events. wrong, not all of the members were appointed by her predecessor. btw, if you'll read the article i posted above, it says that they are appointed by the governor, implying that she did it. either way, they are her people, and either way, it doesn't make this new investigation important. wow, what a surprise, her people found her innocent. google, it's your friend.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 2:05:27 AM
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wrong, not all of the members were appointed by her predecessor. btw, if you'll read the article i posted above, it says that they are appointed by the governor, implying that she did it. either way, they are her people, and either way, it doesn't make this new investigation important. wow, what a surprise, her people found her innocent. Actually that was your assumption, because of your bias. If you actually knew how to use google, you would have known the facts. From CNN: Instead, Palin asked the Personnel Board -- an executive branch agency whose members were appointed by her predecessor -- to handle the investigation, arguing it was the proper legal venue. And from Newsweek: Some Democrats ridiculed the move, noting that the personnel board answered to Palin. But the board ended up hiring an aggressive Anchorage trial lawyer, Timothy Petumenos, as an independent counsel. McCain aides were chagrined to discover that Petumenos was a Democrat who had contributed to Palin's 2006 opponent for governor, Tony Knowles. So again you are wrong.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 2:09:22 AM
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wrong, not all of the members were appointed by her predecessor. btw, if you'll read the article i posted above, it says that they are appointed by the governor, implying that she did it. either way, they are her people, and either way, it doesn't make this new investigation important. wow, what a surprise, her people found her innocent. Actually that was your assumption, because of your bias. If you actually knew how to use google, you would have known the facts. From CNN: Instead, Palin asked the Personnel Board -- an executive branch agency whose members were appointed by her predecessor -- to handle the investigation, arguing it was the proper legal venue. And from Newsweek: Some Democrats ridiculed the move, noting that the personnel board answered to Palin. But the board ended up hiring an aggressive Anchorage trial lawyer, Timothy Petumenos, as an independent counsel. McCain aides were chagrined to discover that Petumenos was a Democrat who had contributed to Palin's 2006 opponent for governor, Tony Knowles. So again you are wrong. they weren't all appointed by her. you ignored that fact. and as for petumenos, the board, made up of her people, is who hired him.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 2:14:57 AM
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they weren't all appointed by her. you ignored that fact. and as for petumenos, the board, made up of her people, is who hired him. You were the one who said they were all appointed by her. And there is no evidence any of them were; and her predecessor who did hire them was in a bitter election against her, so there is no basis for the claim his appointments would favor her. And they hired a Democrat who had opposed her. Again, you started with a statement, it has been proven wrong, now you are just dissembling to cover the obvious error. It's pitiful.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 2:17:32 AM
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they weren't all appointed by her. you ignored that fact. and as for petumenos, the board, made up of her people, is who hired him. You were the one who said they were all appointed by her. And there is no evidence any of them were; and her predecessor who did hire them was in a bitter election against her, so there is no basis for the claim his appointments would favor her. And they hired a Democrat who had opposed her. Again, you started with a statement, it has been proven wrong, now you are just dissembling to cover the obvious error. It's pitiful. "Less than a week after balking at the Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire." http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/534119.html obviously they work for her, since she CAN FIRE THEM. whither you like it or not, they are her people. and they are the ones who hired petumenos, and they are the ones who "cleared" her.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 2:23:00 AM
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"Less than a week after balking at the Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire." http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/534119.html obviously they work for her, since she CAN FIRE THEM. whither you like it or not, they are her people. and they are the ones who hired petumenos, and they are the ones who "cleared" her. Let's remember your statement: "was made up of mostly republicans" - no evidence for this. "she appointed that board. " - factually wrong. "whither you like it or not, they are her people. and they are the ones who hired petumenos, and they are the ones who "cleared" her. " Again wrong. She couldn't fire Petumenos once he was hired, and he prepared the report, they didn't. So again, you are continuing to make things up.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 2:38:29 AM
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"Less than a week after balking at the Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire." http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/534119.html obviously they work for her, since she CAN FIRE THEM. whither you like it or not, they are her people. and they are the ones who hired petumenos, and they are the ones who "cleared" her. Let's remember your statement: "was made up of mostly republicans" - no evidence for this. the FIRST investigation was. that was my point. maybe you should re-read what i said "she appointed that board. " - factually wrong. t's about half wrong, an honest mistake. "whither you like it or not, they are her people. and they are the ones who hired petumenos, and they are the ones who "cleared" her. " Again wrong. She couldn't fire Petumenos once he was hired, and he prepared the report, they didn't. he wasn't the ONLY one behind this report though, was he? it was him, along with her board, who hired him. So again, you are continuing to make things up. i'm not making things up, you're twisting what i'm saying and taking things out of context in order to prove that this was a fair investigation, when it most likely wasn't.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 2:43:05 AM
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i'm not making things up, you're twisting what i'm saying and taking things out of context in order to prove that this was a fair investigation, when it most likely wasn't. A contention you keep making even though it has been demonstrated repeatedly there is no basis for it.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 2:47:25 AM
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i'm not making things up, you're twisting what i'm saying and taking things out of context in order to prove that this was a fair investigation, when it most likely wasn't. A contention you keep making even though it has been demonstrated repeatedly there is no basis for it. there were two reports. one found her guilty, one found her innocent. obviously one would come to the conclusion that both can't be right, therefore one must be wrong. the logical side of me says that the wrong one is the one that was headed by her people.
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 8:45:26 AM
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I for one am glad to see this, the mother of all non-issues, finally just go away (even if it is too late to affect the outcome). The governor can hire and fire who she pleases, for any reason. Period. End of story...
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RE: Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe - 11/4/2008 9:21:21 AM
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the logical side of me says that the wrong one is the one that was headed by her people. Not your 'logical side', your left side.
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