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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 3:52:19 PM
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TMeeks
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One of my favorite lines of all times. Animal Farm is one of my favorite books and that quote, "All of us are equal; but, some are more equal than others", is absolutely my favorite quote of all time. I use it constantly.
The last time was as I was leaving the building at the same time as the CEO. I pointed to his car, which was in his customary reserved spot, and recited the line. I'm NOT sure he appreciated or saw the humor in it as much as I did. 
He was a former Vice Chief of Naval Operations!
At least I wasn't fired! 
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I suggest you fumigate before wearing!
But, wear it proudly, so when the middle class disappears we'll know who to blame. Are YOU in line to get a Chateua or a hovel? There won't be much else to choose from when your man gets through!
Take care of that shirt. You might have to find a couple of sticks to turn that into a tent and live in it!
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Is YOUR vote going to bring a smile to the face of Ayers and Dohrn?
He already sent me a thank you card and a Che Guevera t-shirt.
-Dan.
I don't know... I think I've made enough of the right connections to get by. Some of us are more equal than others, you know...
-Dan.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:01:20 PM
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There is one rule in politics that will never fail you.
Beware of your political friends.
And, you are quite right.
It began with Woodrow Wilson and the income tax and accelerated with ever burgeoning numbers dependent on "entitlements". When a populace feeds at the trough of government they are insatiable until that government collapses.
And, as for freedoms lost, there is no better excuse than a good crisis or two.
But, those of us that see this trend can and should at least TRY to slow it down and reverse it. I have an obligation to do everything I can NOT to let that collapse come in my children's and grandchildren's lifetimes.
An Obama win ensures that it will.
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Has it not occured that the tide changed BEFORE this election ever came into being? Bush has done a fabulous job of extinguishing our right's and personal freedoms.
Our own elected officials did an even more amazing job at ushering in socialism with the bailout. This won't be Obama's fault, nor will it be McCain's fault. Either one will be forced to deal with all of Bush's handoffs.
Neither candidate is going to save this country.
We are already headed toward a communist state beginning with socialism. I suppose we used just grow accustom to a new state of the union called social communism!
We can forget freedom and justice for all.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:07:38 PM
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That is THE dumbest and most naive thing I have ever heard anyone say.
That is the glass half full argument taken to the most illogical extreme.
If 50% are wrong then 50% are also right. The trick is to work hard to ensure that the tide turns so that 51% are right... not give in to 3% of elites that aren't guaranteed to be right!
And when in doubt as to who is right and who is wrong, we must turn to history. When those governments that were set up as ours was have proven to be so successful that the whole world is jealous then it must mean that the historical system was on the 'right' side. And, when time after time those countries that have gone the socialist or communist route end up in dictatorships and poverty then history tells us that is the WRONG side.
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We can forget freedom and justice for all.
I think this ideal has been really overrated. If you think about it, no matter what position you take on any issue, you think half of America is wrong. Why would you want 150 Million wrong people making important decisions? Why not just let the ones who are correct make the decisions?
-Dan.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:09:17 PM
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I have an obligation to do everything I can NOT to let that collapse come in my children's and grandchildren's lifetimes.
I fully agree with this. However, I'm not fully convinced that the economic outcome won't be the same with either candidate taking office.
Either one will have a tremendous task before them. This economic crisis would challenge anyone. Not to mention a mostly nonsupporting citizenry, in terms of the bailout.
I believe that we have been headed towards a commi-socialist government for many years. McCain leans towards the commi side like Bush and Obama leans towards the socialist side.
It's sad for America either way. Too much power corrupts always.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:10:05 PM
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Name one right or freedom that you have lost under the Bush administration. Just one will do....
Have you seen the Patriot Act by chance? If not, you need to read it!
Have you noticed all the video cameras at the intersections, the cameras in parking lots?
How about the whole digital tv in February?
What was that again you were saying about our freedoms?
I'm no fan of the Patriot Act and I think tafkam goes too far in making light of the expanded potential for abuse, but these examples you gave are not examples of "lost freedoms." A traffic camera at an intersection is no different than having a cop sitting there. Parking lot cameras are generally installed by store owners as a security measure. And the digital tv conversion is meant to free up limited broadcast bandwidth - managing that airspace is the FCC's job.
-Dan.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:12:42 PM
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Gee. That's really, really nice that you and Bill are so close. Did he give you an autographed copy of his wonderful book? If not, you are only an acquaintence and not a buddy-buddy like Obama. I didn't want to burst your bubble. But, there are social standings even among terrorists. Maybe if you make a few bombs for him and kill a few policemen you can move up on Bill's Social calendar.
Now, THAT would make Ayers REALLY Happy!
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I actually got a phone call from him. He told me that Obama was a socialist that hung out with him a whole lot. When I heard about it, I got really excited and asked a few questions about Barack's plans for moving middle-class people out of their homes and into Khruschchovkas, but he kept rambling on and on about threats to America as if he hadn't even heard me. In any case, I am thrilled to make William Ayers happy!
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:12:56 PM
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No offense, but what on Earth does that have anything to do with freedoms?
And furthermore, the move to digital has been in the works since the mid-90's. When Clinton was President.
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Isn't it interesting that all tv have to go through the same access point? A single entity running to all of our homes or our tv's won't work. 1 signal for all.
China does this to filter what their citizens view. We should question it and not just accept pat answers.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:22:47 PM
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Be very careful about defending a politician just because they are YOUR politician. The issues and principles are far more important that the parties and the politicians.
There is no doubt at all that we HAVE lost some freedoms in the name of security under George Bush's administration just as those living during the Civil War lost some freedoms under Lincoln.
It may seem small to us; but, having to take off one's shoes in an airport line would have been seen as a MASSIVE assault on personal freedom by our founding fathers. It could be argued that it is required in this climate of terrorists; but, it cannot be argued that it is NOT a loss of personal freedom.
I might add that there also is no arguing the fact that George Bush initiated one of the greatest confiscations of our future wealth, in the entire history of this country, in pushing and passing the massive bailout bill. My granddaughters, who are both under 7 years old will end up paying for that and will not benefit by it at all.
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Have you seen the Patriot Act by chance? If not, you need to read it!
Have you noticed all the video cameras at the intersections, the cameras in parking lots?
How about the whole digital tv in February?
What was that again you were saying about our freedoms?
So your answer would be "No, sir, I canot name a single freedom or liberty that I have lost under the Bush administration".
Thanks for playing along....
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:27:58 PM
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just as those living during the Civil War lost some freedoms under Lincoln.
Very good point!
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George Bush initiated one of the greatest confiscations of our future wealth, in the entire history of this country, in pushing and passing the massive bailout bill. My granddaughters, who are both under 7 years old will end up paying for that and will not benefit by it at all.
And another excellent point!
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"Now no one after lighting a lamp covers it over with a container, or puts it under a bed: but he puts it on a lampstand, in order that those who come in may see the light."
Luke 8:16
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 4:41:44 PM
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Truth and freedom isn't about politcal parties. It's about political will. And, right now, there are too many people that either want to feed at the trough or simply don't stand up to be counted by those that don't.
The most important lesson that each generation of Americans insists on forgetting was that learned by the Whiskey Rebellion in the 1970's
Few people realize that this was the first INTERNAL tax in the new country. My favorite line from the WiKi is this.
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The hated whiskey tax was repealed in 1803, having been largely unenforceable outside of Western Pennsylvania, and even there never having been collected with much success.
Had every generation been as resolute as the first Americans, we would never put up with what we endure today.
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just as those living during the Civil War lost some freedoms under Lincoln.
Very good point!
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George Bush initiated one of the greatest confiscations of our future wealth, in the entire history of this country, in pushing and passing the massive bailout bill. My granddaughters, who are both under 7 years old will end up paying for that and will not benefit by it at all.
And another excellent point!
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 5:14:48 PM
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Had every generation been as resolute as the first Americans, we would never put up with what we endure today.
Bill Ayers was that resolute.
-Dan.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 5:20:53 PM
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That is THE dumbest and most naive thing I have ever heard anyone say.
Really? I was going for insidious.
I guess I'll have to try harder.
-Dan.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 5:22:30 PM
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Is YOUR vote going to bring a smile to the face of Ayers and Dohrn?
He already sent me a thank you card and a Che Guevera t-shirt.
-Dan.
That may be all we get
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 5:44:34 PM
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Truth and freedom isn't about politcal parties. It's about political will. And, right now, there are too many people that either want to feed at the trough or simply don't stand up to be counted by those that don't.
The most important lesson that each generation of Americans insists on forgetting was that learned by the Whiskey Rebellion in the 1970's
Few people realize that this was the first INTERNAL tax in the new country. My favorite line from the WiKi is this.
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The hated whiskey tax was repealed in 1803, having been largely unenforceable outside of Western Pennsylvania, and even there never having been collected with much success.
Had every generation been as resolute as the first Americans, we would never put up with what we endure today.
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just as those living during the Civil War lost some freedoms under Lincoln.
Very good point!
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George Bush initiated one of the greatest confiscations of our future wealth, in the entire history of this country, in pushing and passing the massive bailout bill. My granddaughters, who are both under 7 years old will end up paying for that and will not benefit by it at all.
And another excellent point!
Greetings
Hey T
Are you listening to the exit polls? -CNN
Notice how people have forgotten 911 and the war on terror which has droped for #1 to 3rd on the list
Because we acted, Saddam Hussein no longer fills fields with the remains of innocent men, women and children. Because we acted, Saddam's torture chambers and rape rooms and children's prisons have been closed for good.
We will show that men and women who love liberty can defeat the terrorists. And we will show that the future of the Middle East does not belong to terror -- the future of the Middle East belongs to freedom.
Watch how fast Obama.. if elected will toss a monkey wrench in the security factor Bush has achieved which caused the war on terror to drop from #1 to 3rd on the exit poll lists
RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and Dohrn?
I can guarantee… we will see them in the big picture very soon, because Obama will be flaunting there views very shortly= as to parade without shame or modesty…which is typical in the Islamic traditions
LG
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Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice
...So the Persians ask that the 300 drop their arms. Leonidas responds; "Persians! Come and get them!"
300 The Movie
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 5:46:41 PM
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Truth and freedom isn't about politcal parties. It's about political will. And, right now, there are too many people that either want to feed at the trough or simply don't stand up to be counted by those that don't.
The most important lesson that each generation of Americans insists on forgetting was that learned by the Whiskey Rebellion in the 1970's
Few people realize that this was the first INTERNAL tax in the new country. My favorite line from the WiKi is this.
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The hated whiskey tax was repealed in 1803, having been largely unenforceable outside of Western Pennsylvania, and even there never having been collected with much success.
Had every generation been as resolute as the first Americans, we would never put up with what we endure today.
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
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just as those living during the Civil War lost some freedoms under Lincoln.
Very good point!
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George Bush initiated one of the greatest confiscations of our future wealth, in the entire history of this country, in pushing and passing the massive bailout bill. My granddaughters, who are both under 7 years old will end up paying for that and will not benefit by it at all.
And another excellent point!
Greetings
Hey T
Are you listening to the exit polls? -CNN
Notice how people have forgotten 911 and the war on terror which has droped for #1 to 3rd on the list
Because we acted, Saddam Hussein no longer fills fields with the remains of innocent men, women and children. Because we acted, Saddam's torture chambers and rape rooms and children's prisons have been closed for good.
We will show that men and women who love liberty can defeat the terrorists. And we will show that the future of the Middle East does not belong to terror -- the future of the Middle East belongs to freedom.
Watch how fast Obama.. if elected will toss a monkey wrench in the security factor Bush has achieved which caused the war on terror to drop from #1 to 3rd on the exit poll lists
RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and Dohrn?
I can guarantee… it will not be long when we will see them in the big picture very soon, because Obama will be flaunting there views very shortly= as to parade without shame or modesty …which is typical in the Islamic traditions
LG
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Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice
...So the Persians ask that the 300 drop their arms. Leonidas responds; "Persians! Come and get them!"
300 The Movie
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 6:29:31 PM
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Gee. That's really, really nice that you and Bill are so close. Did he give you an autographed copy of his wonderful book? If not, you are only an acquaintence and not a buddy-buddy like Obama. I didn't want to burst your bubble. But, there are social standings even among terrorists. Maybe if you make a few bombs for him and kill a few policemen you can move up on Bill's Social calendar.
Well, actually the phone call was the first time I ever spoke with him, but it was at 3 AM, so he must think we're really good friends. After he got off the phone, he called me back 30 seconds later, and I got this sense that the conversation was repeating itself. I finally had to explain to him that I needed to get off the phone and left my phone in the other room. This morning, I found that I had 50 messages from him that all sounded exactly the same.
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RE: Are YOU bringing a smile to the face of Ayers and D... - 11/4/2008 6:42:22 PM
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I notice most of your posts seem to be so general and ambiguous that your words seem to say nothing at all.
Define "save" please if you would.
Search and seizure. The government used to require a warrant to listen to my phone calls.
Seriously... You think the NSA and other like folks just lately started listening in?
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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