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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 3:49:07 PM
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gracen77
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Lightshineon,
Thank you, and may God RICHLY bless you.
However, I must say that God by His AMAZING
grace chose for me to know that it isn't wiles
of the devil that brought Obama to power. He
is a chosen vessel for a work "God" is doing in
the earth. Of course, some Christians didn't see
Obama as such. Yet, the Holy Spirit moved most
to vote for Obama as God chose to reveal to whom
He pleased. This isn't new though. Even the head,
the Apostle Peter had great issues about Saul. Yet,
God knew His concern and heart, thus revealed it
in a dream. Thank God, for we wouldn't be blessed
with about 2/3 of New Testament without the wisdom
of our Lord making no sense to most at the time.
Though late and much due to medical crises, I wrote
about this man God was raising up for His purposes
in the 90's copyright date that can be proven if it were
ever challenged. Many who knew and 'later' became
prominent citizens like Oprah, God used for His purpose
even though I had become disabled. Even a prominent
media person. See, I'm not doing this. Nor did I volunteer.
God is. Now, I was once an unbeliever even great doubts
such as you. I had even changed from Christian to atheist.
God is real, believed or not; the same with this. So, PLEASE
say what you will about me or what "I" say, but NOTHING
about whom I say is behind Obama. For blasphemy of
Holy Spirit is the ONLY unforgivable sin. God chose a
messenger, me, who understands doubt VERY well. OK
to say 'anything' negative about weak me. I've been made
ready. His strength is made perfect in weakness.
_____________________________
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
How: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp1xBUFjEB0
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 4:23:33 PM
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Milliecat
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igrace77, well I am glad you are here. I will say Obama is wicked, and he is in power because, we have the choice to choose life or death. Why did Obama recieve more votes is because people are tricked by the wiles of the devil. Do you think satan would come as an angel of light, or mean, red cape pitch fork? Obama cares so much about creation we cannot do off-shore drilling, clean coal etc. ect., but God called us humans special and good made in his image. So though he thinks torture is bad, the enviroment not be destroyed, this man of perdition does not care if God's ultimate creation made in the Fathers image is destroyed, in a torture like procedures we would never be allowed to use on our worst enemy. If we did that to our cats and dogs we would be arrested. There is a scripture in the Bible I think in Matthew, that say angels are always looking in to the face of God, ready to act, on those that hurt his little ones. I am not decieved by obama the Beast, peace and may God bless you.
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ORIGINAL: gracen77
Lightshineon,
Re: How could anyone, who knows Jesus loves
children put this man in power?
Why did Jesus chose Paul on the road to Damascus
on his way to kill more Christians - men, women
AND children? Why did Obama receive more of the
Protestant, Catholic, etc. votes than McCain? Why
even since Obama promises to tax those that are
making over $250,000. get a larger amount of their
votes than McCain who would give them a tax cut?
So many things to consider as to why, though I know.
Now, I am definitely not in favor of abortion. Yet,
I wouldn't be alive today if Roe vs Wade didn't exist.
What the answer is, I just choose to pray about it.
It's very hard for me though I would never have, if
given an opportunity, changed 'my' decision 'at the
time' as seen at http://www.nobaq.com "my abortion".
Yet, since the Lord sent us Word that we go from
faith to faith, perhaps 'today', would be different.
However, the Lord allowed it before I arrived here.
I would NEVER had done it that way if I were God.
I'm not:) So, I accept that His ways are not ours as
told us in Isaiah 55:8,9. MUCH I don't 'fully' understand,
yet. One day we will. Til then, Holy Spirit reveals as
God chooses.
Amen, Amen and Amen!! I would like to add Lightshineon, not only do people not seem to care about abortion anymore, they fight against the death penalty. So as innocent unborn babies are being killed, people demonstrate to keep murderers alive in prison.
His rabidly pro-abortion stance was my #1 reason for not voting for Obama. I don't know if anyone mentioned this but he also voted against the child protection act which would provide medical assistance to infants who survive a failed abortion.
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 5:10:20 PM
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gracen77
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Millecat,
Re: His rabidly pro-abortion stance was my
#1 reason for not voting for Obama.
Fortunately, the lies about Obama didn't
win. Yet, what bothered "me" most were
Christians who said he was sinning and
had gone against scripture. We know that
even if Obama had sinned, it's possible to
be forgiven via repentance. However, I did
not at all understand a vote for McCain 'living'
in sin. He divorced a wife due to her disability
and married Cindy. "CLEARLY" living in sin.
A vote from a Christian????
Regarding Obama's vote regarding this issue:
Obama taught constitutional law, thus
Obama justified his vote against the bill,
saying its language would have undermined
the legal protections for abortion provided by
Roe vs. Wade. He also defended it, saying,
"there was already a law on the books in Illinois
that required providing life-saving treatment."
A law passed in Illinois in 1975 does require
life-saving treatment if a child is born alive during
an abortion. Under the law, if a child is delivered alive
during an abortion, a doctor "shall exercise the same
degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve
the life and health of the child as would be required
of a physician" for any other newborn. The 2003 bill
did not make it out of the Judiciary committee. Verdict:
Misleading. Obama voted against the legislation, but
said doing so was not a vote against caring for the children,
because there was already an Illinois law
that required treating babies born alive during abortions.
Obama is not for killing babies and not pro-abortion.
He's pro-choice that he sees as different hoping to
fix so many resorting to abortion and/or getting
pregnant outside marriage. The church should lead.
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Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
How: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp1xBUFjEB0
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 7:49:23 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Gracen77, while I am sure you sincerely believe that the H Spirit told some to vote for Obama, I would not agree. There are countless numbers of believers who would tell you that the H Spirit told them to vote for another candidate. Is the H Spirit divided?
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ORIGINAL gracen77
Even the head, the Apostle Peter had great issues about Saul. Yet, God knew His concern and heart, thus revealed it in a dream.
Can you let us know where this is found in the Bible -- that Peter was "the head" and that a dream revealed to him an answer regarding Saul?
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ORIGINAL gracen77
So, PLEASE say what you will about me or what "I" say, but NOTHING about whom I say is behind Obama. For blasphemy of Holy Spirit is the ONLY unforgivable sin.
Would you mind explaining this for us?
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I can see you are very impressed by Obama; some of us are not -- and with good reason.
Pro-choice is pro-death. The only successful abortion is one that ends with a dead baby.
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 7:58:10 PM
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jbow
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quote:
ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: iluvatar
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ORIGINAL: Acts29
Yes, I do believe that homocides, rapes, murders, etc....has increased significantly since the legalization of abortion.
The problem with that is that you're assuming causation from correlation. Yes, violent crime rates did rise after Roe-v-Wade, but they were also rising before that, peaked around 1991 and have since fallen to what they were in the late 70's. Abortion rates peaked in the early 80's and have fallen since then.
Anyone who thinks that the murder of 3000+ unborn children daily since 1973 doesn't have anything to do with the general lack of regard for life can stand in the rain and say they are not getting wet...
That many??? I had no idea. That is horrible, it is a genocide. I am really surprised that Obama is pro-choice since the highest abortion rate is among blacks. At least that is what I have heard.
3,000 a day... is that right?
J
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 8:09:57 PM
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Milliecat
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quote:
ORIGINAL: gracen77
Lightshineon,
Thank you, and may God RICHLY bless you.
However, I must say that God by His AMAZING
grace chose for me to know that it isn't wiles
of the devil that brought Obama to power. He
is a chosen vessel for a work "God" is doing in
the earth. Of course, some Christians didn't see
Obama as such. Yet, the Holy Spirit moved most
to vote for Obama as God chose to reveal to whom
He pleased. This isn't new though. Even the head,
the Apostle Peter had great issues about Saul. Yet,
God knew His concern and heart, thus revealed it
in a dream. Thank God, for we wouldn't be blessed
with about 2/3 of New Testament without the wisdom
of our Lord making no sense to most at the time.
Though late and much due to medical crises, I wrote
about this man God was raising up for His purposes
in the 90's copyright date that can be proven if it were
ever challenged. Many who knew and 'later' became
prominent citizens like Oprah, God used for His purpose
even though I had become disabled. Even a prominent
media person. See, I'm not doing this. Nor did I volunteer.
God is. Now, I was once an unbeliever even great doubts
such as you. I had even changed from Christian to atheist.
God is real, believed or not; the same with this. So, PLEASE
say what you will about me or what "I" say, but NOTHING
about whom I say is behind Obama. For blasphemy of
Holy Spirit is the ONLY unforgivable sin. God chose a
messenger, me, who understands doubt VERY well. OK
to say 'anything' negative about weak me. I've been made
ready. His strength is made perfect in weakness.
Did you say that the Holy Spirit "moved" most to vote for Obama? I prefer to think that the Holy Spirit "may" have blinded most to vote for Obama. My reason for saying that is because people seemed to almost worship Barack Obama. They had the "glassy-eyed" syndrome. No Matter what was presented that proved he had issues of poor judgement, no one cared. They were blind.
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 8:39:57 PM
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Milliecat
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ORIGINAL: gracen77
Millecat,
Re: His rabidly pro-abortion stance was my
#1 reason for not voting for Obama.
Fortunately, the lies about Obama didn't
win. Yet, what bothered "me" most were
Christians who said he was sinning and
had gone against scripture. We know that
even if Obama had sinned, it's possible to
be forgiven via repentance. However, I did
not at all understand a vote for McCain 'living'
in sin. He divorced a wife due to her disability
and married Cindy. "CLEARLY" living in sin.
A vote from a Christian????
Regarding Obama's vote regarding this issue:
Obama taught constitutional law, thus
Obama justified his vote against the bill,
saying its language would have undermined
the legal protections for abortion provided by
Roe vs. Wade. He also defended it, saying,
"there was already a law on the books in Illinois
that required providing life-saving treatment."
A law passed in Illinois in 1975 does require
life-saving treatment if a child is born alive during
an abortion. Under the law, if a child is delivered alive
during an abortion, a doctor "shall exercise the same
degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve
the life and health of the child as would be required
of a physician" for any other newborn. The 2003 bill
did not make it out of the Judiciary committee. Verdict:
Misleading. Obama voted against the legislation, but
said doing so was not a vote against caring for the children,
because there was already an Illinois law
that required treating babies born alive during abortions.
Obama is not for killing babies and not pro-abortion.
He's pro-choice that he sees as different hoping to
fix so many resorting to abortion and/or getting
pregnant outside marriage. The church should lead.
Um, Obama did mock Scripture in a speech, and acted as if he was smarter than God. If you would like to view the video it is on YouTube. Just type in "Obama mocking the Bible".
His abortion stance is not a lie. He is rabid. He is for partial birth abortion, which, if you are interested, I can find a website that shows a very graphic video of a partial birth abortion. It was produced by the guy who made the movie "Bella". Obama has promised Planned Parenthood that there will be no limits on abortion. And yes, I believe that is a sin. I don't look for him to repent anytime soon. But if we pray for his salvation, anything is possible.
As for McCain, if you saw the Saddleback interview, which showed the huge difference between McCain and Obama, Rick Warren asked John McCain what his biggest regret in life was. He answered the failure of his first marriage. So clearly he is sorry for that.
As for the Child Protection Act, the old bill from 1975 was written when there were no abortion mills. Abortions were performed in hospitals. No one gets resuscitated in abortion mills. The law needed to be updated as 10% of abortions "fail". Obama tells two lies about this. He says that there was already a law on the books and sometimes he says if the law had been worded exactly like the federal bill (even though it was worded exactly like the federal bill), he would have voted for it. Now I ask you, how would this "undermine" the legal protections provided by Roe v. Wade? The truth is that Obama was worried that if this law were passed and it became apparent just how many babies come out screaming for their lives, it would "threaten" Roe v. Wade.
And, there is no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 9:53:23 PM
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I am pro-life. It used to be the biggest issue for me. It isn't anymore because there are too many candidates who claim to be pro-life and then they give a dozen situations where they think that abortion should be allowed.
As far as I'm concerned the only time abortion should be allowed is if the pregnancy will end the mother's life. Then I think it should be her choice.
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/8/2008 10:28:14 PM
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/9/2008 2:32:16 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: jbow
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: iluvatar
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ORIGINAL: Acts29
Yes, I do believe that homocides, rapes, murders, etc....has increased significantly since the legalization of abortion.
The problem with that is that you're assuming causation from correlation. Yes, violent crime rates did rise after Roe-v-Wade, but they were also rising before that, peaked around 1991 and have since fallen to what they were in the late 70's. Abortion rates peaked in the early 80's and have fallen since then.
Anyone who thinks that the murder of 3000+ unborn children daily since 1973 doesn't have anything to do with the general lack of regard for life can stand in the rain and say they are not getting wet...
That many??? I had no idea. That is horrible, it is a genocide. I am really surprised that Obama is pro-choice since the highest abortion rate is among blacks. At least that is what I have heard.
3,000 a day... is that right?
J
1,000,000 divided by 365 comes to 2739.726. I believe 1,000,000 is roughly the average per yer since 1973...
There are two abortions for every black birth...
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/14/2008 1:24:58 PM
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First off, I always find it interesting how anti-abortion advocates use the term pro-life, which is a partial truth in most cases. Many staunch anti-abortion proponents still support the death penalty, or support our invasion of Iraq. Then there are the "pro-lifers" that still support embryonic stem cell research (ala Nancy Reagan) or in vitro pregnancy induction where there are "unused" embryo's. As far as looking at this in a WWJCB way, aren't these all equally wrong? In my opinion, to vote purely on the abortion issue is narrow-minded. Isn't it all or none? Isn't taking a life in anyway a sin? If so, how do you defend your position as a "pro-lifer" and voting on the abortion issue, to the ommision of all others? I agree that life is a defining issue, but it is wider than just anti-abortion.
My stance on abortion is that I support that the very large majority of abortions should be stopped, but I hesitate when we get to issues such as incest and rape, especially involving under age girls.; or, when the mother's life is in serious jeopardy due to the pregnancy, and she has young children. I'm not saying I don't have an opinion on this, but I hesitate that I, or anyone else that is speaking of "God's will" has the right to mandate this to a family or individual. I'm sure that this would qualify me as pro-choice in many peoples mind on this site, but I don't see it that way. I can only do my best to make decisions based on thoughtful heartfelt inner dialogue using the lords words as my guide (or my interpretation of them.)
Also, if you are anti-abortion, are you also firmly behind government prgrams that will help to support the under-priviledged children you are mandating women have? To vehemently back the abolishment of abortion and then trun a blind eye to the baby once it is born, is in some ways, just a criminal as the abortion.
For thought, a fictitious scenario: the "religious right" comes into power in the near future and Roe v Wade is overturned. A crack addcited mother from the projects has a son becasue abortions are now illegal and not available(for the poor). Due to the cutting of many government programs, this child by grows up on the streets, with no support or love or money. He survives in any way he can and becomes a hardened feared young man. At 20 years old he gets into a fight and kills a man and is sentenced to death.
All I'm saying is that if human life is sacred, that doesnt stop at birth. It should be just a sacred and protected for the duration...
In case you're interested; mainly because of the contradictions on both sides of the political fence with regards to issues of life, peace, taking care of one another, etc. I did not vote. Some would see this as a cop-out, but I see it as a conscious choice of not voting for the "lesser of two evils".
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/14/2008 1:37:43 PM
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A crack addcited mother from the projects has a son
Crack addicted women have babies all the time. The mother is put into a rehab program and the baby into foster care.
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All I'm saying is that if human life is sacred, that doesnt stop at birth. It should be just a sacred and protected for the duration...
You are odviously very ignorant of the Chruches work. Try getting involved in a church ministry one day. See how silly this sounds. It appears to me that you are more educated and involved in "government programs" than you are in Christian ministry.
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/14/2008 1:48:43 PM
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Hi cmaskiell. Welcome to the boards.
I really enjoyed reading your post. You have a lot of the same questions I have regarding a lot of people who claim to be pro life.
Please forgive the snarky post that followed yours. You just stepped on some toes and it wasn't appreciated. Still, it doesn't make your questions (or mine) any less valid.
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/14/2008 1:52:18 PM
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Did not step on MY toes. I have been working in the ministry for decades now.
Most of us pro life people don't ask silly question about adoption, helping the mothers and so on because for "us" we have been doing it for almost as long as we can remember.
Of course stats bear that truth out over and over again. The conservative Christians are the most active and giving people in the country. I can tell you the very names of the children homes that I have been supporting for decades.
The Baptist Children's Village has been helping children for over 111yrs now. See it's kinda stupid to "imply' we don't help. That is just "one" childrens home we help support.
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I really enjoyed reading your post. You have a lot of the same questions I have regarding a lot of people who claim to be pro life.
So you don't work in the world with people either? You are ignorant of all that the Chruches do to help the poor, needy, disabled, hungry, drug addicts, job training, etc. You do nothing?
Just in case neither of you realize this the Salvation Army is a Chruch.
BTW yesterday was Thursday. That's my day dedicated to working with the less fortunate.  That's when a large group of us meet to help meet the needs of people in our community. What is your day set aside to work for others?
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/14/2008 10:43:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: cmaskiell
First off, I always find it interesting how anti-abortion advocates use the term pro-life, which is a partial truth in most cases. Many staunch anti-abortion proponents still support the death penalty, or support our invasion of Iraq. Then there are the "pro-lifers" that still support embryonic stem cell research (ala Nancy Reagan) or in vitro pregnancy induction where there are "unused" embryo's. As far as looking at this in a WWJCB way, aren't these all equally wrong? In my opinion, to vote purely on the abortion issue is narrow-minded. Isn't it all or none? Isn't taking a life in anyway a sin? If so, how do you defend your position as a "pro-lifer" and voting on the abortion issue, to the ommision of all others? I agree that life is a defining issue, but it is wider than just anti-abortion.
Murder is sin, not the taking of all life...
Simple clarification...
David took the lives of Goliath and Uriah... He was said to have murdered Uriah, (which btw he didn't lay a hand on) and it was said he slayed Goliath in the name of God... David didn't murder Goliath... As well Joshua didn't murder anyone in Jericho...
The death penalty is commanded by God...
War can be just... Not all wars....
Abortion... Any just cause for abortion?
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My stance on abortion is that I support that the very large majority of abortions should be stopped, but I hesitate when we get to issues such as incest and rape, especially involving under age girls.; or, when the mother's life is in serious jeopardy due to the pregnancy, and she has young children.
What biblical principle are standing on to say the child of a rape is worthy of death? How do the actions of the father warrant the child having its life taken? It's there scripture the speaks against that very thing?
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For thought, a fictitious scenario: the "religious right" comes into power in the near future and Roe v Wade is overturned. A crack addcited mother from the projects has a son becasue abortions are now illegal and not available(for the poor). Due to the cutting of many government programs, this child by grows up on the streets, with no support or love or money. He survives in any way he can and becomes a hardened feared young man. At 20 years old he gets into a fight and kills a man and is sentenced to death.
So the child should be sentenced to death in the womb because his mother is crack addict?
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/15/2008 8:52:34 AM
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I am not in the middle of the road. I am not a "neo-con" as it has been represented by President Bush. I am a married white male, hetereosexual christian conservative and I do not believe in abortions...OR...the death penalty...and I don't want to argue that.
There is a difference between murder, which abortion is, I think the worst kind of murder by the way, and the death penalty or war. Murder takes the life of an innocent. Babies are innocents. While there will always be innocnets lives lost in war, war is perpetrated byt the agrressors and I don't see too many wars we have fought for conquest or domination. The only ones that come to mind were our conflicts with native americans and both sides lost civilians in that war.
The commandment is not thou shallt not kill. If it was then many of the holy men of the bible were murderers. Its do no murder. Killing and murder are two different things. Equating abortion with war or the death penalty is comparing apples and oranges.
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RE: Why is abortion number 1? - 11/17/2008 1:31:13 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Writer Chick, you seem very cynical and quick to judge in your posts I have read. I doubt you are that way, but it is how I have seen you come across. I am sure that in time, I will learn that I have misjudged you. If Cmaskiell stepped on any toes, that is for the one with the sore toes to say, I would think. Cmaskiell certainly did not step on mine.
Cmaskiell was careful to write that the ideas put forth included some of the prolife populace, not all. Cmaskiell, I believe in capital punishment based upon complete compliance with the biblical mandates, period. Many prolife people believe similarly. I will not go through each element of your post, but you have certainly not written about my stance, just for the record.
It is, however, always curious to me that the child is executed for the sin of the rapist. Certainly, the woman suffers a long, arduous punishment -- life-long -- for the sin of the man, but that does not give her an automatic right to punish the resulting child. Further, underage girls often cannot carry a child through to delivery, so the idea of "the life of the woman/the life of the child" comes up and must be dealt with.
WOther than rape, when women and men sin, creating children outside of wedlock, they have to suffer the consequences, as do the children they have. That is their choice, upon making the decision to sin. They had a choice not to sin; the child had no choice in the matter.
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Also, if you are anti-abortion, are you also firmly behind government prgrams that will help to support the under-priviledged children you are mandating women have?
With regard to government support of the result of sin, we live in a sinful world in which people make those choices. We are stuck with that, until the government changes to one under allegiance to Messiah. No prolife person wants a child to suffer because of the parents' sin, but it happens. However, people who are prolife cannot be seriously blamed that people sin and have children because of their sin! "...mandating that women have"? That is a ridiculous idea! Most of us who are prolife are also advocates of living righteously.
The only reason G-d mandated capital punishment is BECAUSE life is sacred. Read the Scriptures!
With regard to voting based upon my final issue -- that of life -- someone else has written it heere already: if a politician is not interested in the value of life, whether that of the unborn, that of the murdered, that of the raped, or that of the elderly -- that politician is not interested in the basic thing for all of us -- life.
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Abiyah
"Ladies and gentlemen, there are things that you will only be able to learn by the weakest among us, and when you snuff them out, you are the one that loses." ~~Gianna Jesson, 1977 LA, CA, saline abortion survivor
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