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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 11:21:00 AM
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Zhi
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Well, to be entirely honest, the Colorado issue was really, really vague on what it was supposed to actually do. So much so that even my pro-life hubby was like "I'm not sure that this is a good idea but I'll vote for it and on the very unlikely chance it passes, sit back and watch the fireworks." Nobody was surprised it didn't pass.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 11:32:04 AM
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Heard a GREAT quote this morning on Moody Radio: "Sanctity of life must take precendence over quality of life."
Which is why, except for us few, narrow-minded, honest-to-goodness Christians, abortion is practically a dead issue. Very few people (even many, many that claim to be Christians) will allow ANYTHING to interfere with their quality of life.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 11:44:05 AM
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Well if the abortion is occuring within minutes after concieving, then it's not a fetus that is being aborted.
Okay. I guess this was the part I had trouble with, but I think what you mean is, if it PREVENTS conception.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 11:47:00 AM
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Okay. I guess this was the part I had trouble with, but I think what you mean is, if it PREVENTS conception.
Well if it merely prevents conception then it isn't an abortion.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 11:55:27 AM
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ekserekseez
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Well if it merely prevents conception then it isn't an abortion.
Okay, I think I've got it. Well, reproductive technology is big bucks (pharmaceuticals can be a good investment in tough times!), and if you compare what's available now to what was available in the 1960's when the Pill first came out, I think we're soon going to have "seconds after" rather than "morning after" pills. And they'll eventually be cheap, plentiful, and available without a prescription.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 12:01:27 PM
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Okay, I think I've got it. Well, reproductive technology is big bucks (pharmaceuticals can be a good investment in tough times!), and if you compare what's available now to what was available in the 1960's when the Pill first came out, I think we're soon going to have "seconds after" rather than "morning after" pills. And they'll eventually be cheap, plentiful, and available without a prescription.
Possibly, but considering that almost a million women already fail to utilize contraception that is, "cheap, plentiful, and available without a prescription", I am guessing this will change very little in regard to regular abortions. Indeed, the increased availability of contraception often increases incidences of abortion because people have the sort of sex wherein they might conceive an unwanted child.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 12:05:39 PM
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Possibly, but considering that almost a million women already fail to utilize contraception that is, "cheap, plentiful, and available without a prescription", I am guessing this will change very little in regard to regular abortions. Indeed, the increased availability of contraception often increases incidences of abortion because people have the sort of sex wherein they might conceive an unwanted child.
Well, yeah, you might be right. My sister got pregnant once just because she was too lazy to use anything, and not wanting the 'rents to find out, had it taken care of in Copenhagen (she wanted to go to Denmark anyway on vacation). Then she got pregnant again from someone she was with one time, drunk, and decided to keep it so she could have a big fancy wedding.
Myself, I find it much cheaper in the long run to prepare ahead of time. That, plus I'm sterile.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 12:06:31 PM
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There is something practical we can do. If the Democrats pass a stimulus package and we all get a nice check from them, unless you truly need the money turn around and donate the whole thing to a local crisis pregnancy center. If enough of us did so it would have a tremendous impact. They do save babies' lives and provide help to mothers to care for them.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 12:35:11 PM
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There is something practical we can do. If the Democrats pass a stimulus package and we all get a nice check from them, unless you truly need the money turn around and donate the whole thing to a local crisis pregnancy center. If enough of us did so it would have a tremendous impact. They do save babies' lives and provide help to mothers to care for them.
Well, and they will need it, because one of the effects of FOCA will be to defund Crisis Pregnancy Centers. Indeed, the Dems will probably try to do this any ways.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 12:39:22 PM
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There is something practical we can do. If the Democrats pass a stimulus package and we all get a nice check from them, unless you truly need the money turn around and donate the whole thing to a local crisis pregnancy center. If enough of us did so it would have a tremendous impact. They do save babies' lives and provide help to mothers to care for them.
Well, and they will need it, because one of the effects of FOCA will be to defund Crisis Pregnancy Centers. Indeed, the Dems will probably try to do this any ways.
Wonder what the chances are they'll either keep churches from being legally allowed to support these centers or make it extremely hard to. There are many such centers that rely solely on private contributions and gifts to exist.
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RE: Is abortion a dead issue? - 11/5/2008 12:59:08 PM
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Jhud
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Wonder what the chances are they'll either keep churches from being legally allowed to support these centers or make it extremely hard to. There are many such centers that rely solely on private contributions and gifts to exist.
I would think they would have a hard time stopping private funding, but they might go after them on the basis that they are 'deceptive'.
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