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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 2:49:37 PM
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stamper_ben
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oh yeah,, thats one thing that obama will have to prove -
people accused him of being a socialist.. since I dont bleive he is....
but some of you think he is .... then i ask you ..
When will we be able to see if he is a socialist or not! or... rather,, that he will try to turn america into that kind of way of life?
When the auto companies are taken over by the government you'll have your first glimpse.
ben, that is a helpful comment.. i will be interested to see what changes will happen as the months progress. Im sure folks will catch it and post it here.
by the way, do you know if the $777 billion bailout worked?
It ain't bailed me out yet...
But I'm more than sure there are those who are profiting. 
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 3:33:47 PM
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Um, what are we congratulating him for?...maybe tricking the middle class into thinking his Marxist answers will cure their ills? And for making the elites happy as most of them are anti-American anyway?
My goodness, why is this country so unhappy? I think we should all spend a week in Darfur.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 3:35:09 PM
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Um, what are we congratulating him for?...maybe tricking the middle class into thinking his Marxist answers will cure their ills? And for making the elites happy as most of them are anti-American anyway?
My goodness, why is this country so unhappy? I think we should all spend a week in Darfur.
You first.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 3:45:22 PM
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I can't believe some of the ridiculousness (like socialism ) still being moaned and groaned about. Stretches like that claim and others are part of why McCain lost. Obama talked about realities, McCain's campaign kept trying to throw out bait (Ayers, his birth certificate, "socialism," etc.), which, clearly, the nation did not take.
"It's the answer that led those who have been told for so long, by so many, to be cynical and fearful and doubtful about what we can achieve ... to put their hands on the arc of history and bend it once more toward the hope of a better day."
I thought the booing was pretty much exemplary of why the GOP lost. That behaviour (not to mention the fear-mongering and other petty, juvenile stunts of McCain supporters) is an embarrassment to intelligent grown folk everywhere, regardless of one's political views.
It was refreshing to see some of the old McCain back, in his speech, I hope he will continue to be a leader in D.C.
Obama's speech has set a marvelous tone for his presidency. I hope everyone who worked so hard, to get him elected, keeps at it to bring the ideas of hope and progress into reality.
So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism; of service and responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves, but each other. Let us remember that if this financial crisis taught us anything, it’s that we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main Street suffers – in this country, we rise or fall as one nation; as one people.
Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.
Full text and video:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5086178.ece
I don't buy into flowery rhetoric. People in this country didn't accept the fact that Barack Obama is a Marxist or that hanging out with domestic terrorists and those who hate America mattered because they were mesmerized. Women were fainting at his rallies, some men had tears in their eyes. It was reminiscent of videos I have seen of the Germans when they listened to Hitler. They fell for the rhetoric and I think they were purposely blinded by God.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 3:54:22 PM
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now, this is the $777 billion bailout George Bush did last month.. that one. how is that working? did it fail? First of all, presidents don't just enact legislation unless it is passed by congress. Unless they are dictators that is. But we aren't there. Yet.
So you tell me. Has it bailed you out of trouble yet? Did it work?
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 4:03:13 PM
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now, this is the $777 billion bailout George Bush did last month.. that one. how is that working? did it fail? First of all, presidents don't just enact legislation unless it is passed by congress. Unless they are dictators that is. But we aren't there. Yet.
So you tell me. Has it bailed you out of trouble yet? Did it work?
i dont think it affected me.. since it went to the big banks and stuff.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 4:40:41 PM
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i dont think it affected me.. since it went to the big banks and stuff. Exactly my point...
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 5:04:34 PM
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i dont think it affected me.. since it went to the big banks and stuff. Exactly my point...
BUT THAT WAS George Bush that did that.. how is Barack to blame for that?
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 5:44:22 PM
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I can't believe some of the ridiculousness (like socialism ) still being moaned and groaned about. Stretches like that claim and others are part of why McCain lost. Obama talked about realities, McCain's campaign kept trying to throw out bait (Ayers, his birth certificate, "socialism," etc.), which, clearly, the nation did not take.
This is an good example why I believe that the political polarization in the country will continue. Some people can not accept or entertain the notion that a person's past associations may have some affect or influence on one's political views, therefore a canidate's past associations and inspirations are valid topics of consideration and discussion.
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"It's the answer that led those who have been told for so long, by so many, to be cynical and fearful and doubtful about what we can achieve ... to put their hands on the arc of history and bend it once more toward the hope of a better day."
Voting in order to be a part of history is not a good foundation to base one's vote. Every election is historic is some way.
What is so wrong about being cynuical and hopeful at the same time, like I believe many peoplr tend to be?
What is wrong with someone being careful and thoughtful how one casts his vote?
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I thought the booing was pretty much exemplary of why the GOP lost. That behaviour (not to mention the fear-mongering and other petty, juvenile stunts of McCain supporters) is an embarrassment to intelligent grown folk everywhere, regardless of one's political views.
I hope you are keeping in mind that Obama supporters and the Democrats have not been squeeing clean during this elction cycleeither. It is not just the GOP that have employed fear-mongering and juvenile stunts. (It may be helpful the next time you put the GOP down for fear-mongering and such you also put doen the Democrats).
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It was refreshing to see some of the old McCain back, in his speech, I hope he will continue to be a leader in D.C.
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Obama's speech has set a marvelous tone for his presidency. I hope everyone who worked so hard, to get him elected, keeps at it to bring the ideas of hope and progress into reality.
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So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism; of service and responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves, but each other. Let us remember that if this financial crisis taught us anything, it’s that we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main Street suffers – in this country, we rise or fall as one nation; as one people.
Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.
I will believe it when I see it, especially from the Democrats. When the Democrats actually stop being so partisan, and blaming the GOP for the same things that they are quilty of, instead of just talking about it, I will become a believer.
I will become a believer when I see Democrats talking about the issues instead of dishing out their own version of fear-mongering, and mis-information.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 6:47:11 PM
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Barack Obama was elected to the highest office in the land. No matter what I or anyone else thinks about his policies he has achieved something no other African American (half or not) has and something only 44 men* in about 220 years has been able to. I refuse to denigrate his accomplishment. So my sincere congradualtions to President Elect Barack Obama.
However, acknowleging his achievement is not to be taken as acceptance of his agenda. He is now our next president. I won't speculate on what he might do because it is now a moot point. I will be watching what he actually does. I hope somehow he enacts policies I can support but that will take a major change of heart in some cases (primarily abortion). I will pray for God to grant him wisdom & safety and will respect him as the holder of the office of President.
* Actually less than 44. Some of those 44 were VPs that succeeded fallen Presidents. So they were not elected to be President as Obama was. Being elected is part of his achievement. Some, like Truman & LBJ won reelection (and thus achieved election). Others, like Ford, did not.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 8:56:44 PM
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As a Brit, I think it's wonderful that Obama won. So glad the Republicans didn't get back in.
socialists of a feather flock together.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 9:59:21 PM
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Obama is pure evil wrapped in evil paper and an evil bow; McCain has a halo over his head
It becomes painfully obvious, love, that you have not really read these forums, or you would have known better than to post this particular gem.
Most all of us on the conservative side have been very critical of McCain in a number of areas, and were less than thrilled with him as the GOP Presidential candidate...
No. She's right.
Obama has been declared everything from a socialist and a marxist to a terrorist sympathizer.
It's more apparent to people who support Obama.
He is a Marxist. He's not a terrorist sympathizer. He's friends with a domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers, and a foreign terrorist, Khalid something who was a member of the PLO. He enjoys Mrs. Khalid's cooking very much. It is the truth! Why don't his supporters ever investigate his background? Don't you want to know who you voted for?
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 10:16:22 PM
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I can already tell I am going to vomit every time Martin Luther King comes up ever five seconds of the next four years. Barack did NOT win because of the content of his character, let's get that straight right now. He won because he is a good illusionist and was able to fool the majority of the audience.
Actually you've proved my point. Unless you voted for McCain because you didn't want to elect a black man (I don't know, maybe you did - you'd have to answer that question for yourself), you had to make a decision about his character based on his statements, political stances on different issues, personal characteristics, or personal/professional decisions. So, whether you feel that his character is exemplary or poor ("he is a good illusionist and was able to fool the majority of the audience") is irrelevant. The point is that you made a decision about him based on what you perceive to be his character, not the color of his skin. THAT was MLK's dream.
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I congratulate him for winning, but that doesn't suddenly make him some saint. I think MLK would be sad.
I'm not sure where all of this talk about "saint" is coming from. I certainly didn't mention anything about it in my post, so I won't respond to it.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 10:49:04 PM
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"Gracious in defeat, humble in victory." Something difficult to do, but so very important, as Christians especially.
Romans says that we must submit to government authorities because there is no authority except that which God has established.
No ruler exercises control except as God permits (Daniel). Of course that doesn't mean we're supposed to obey laws or regulations that are immoral or anti-Christian (Acts, Daniel, etc.)
I was having a very hard time with Obama winning, but through my pastor's comments tonight, and discussion with some dear learned Christian ladies in Bible study, I'm okay now. I still don't like it, but I'm not panicking anymore. God will prevail---His timing, His way.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/5/2008 10:57:17 PM
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Please tell me what good sour grapes does at this point.
Prolly make some good wine!
Sour grapes make a good whine.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/6/2008 12:53:51 AM
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They fell for the rhetoric and I think they were purposely blinded by God.
I wonder why?? Why would God blind some people?
I have often wondered why He hardened Pharoah's heart.
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We should all pray. For our president, Congress, leaders and country.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/6/2008 12:56:11 AM
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As a Brit, I think it's wonderful that Obama won. So glad the Republicans didn't get back in.
socialists of a feather flock together.
Are you saying that all obama supporters are socialists or that all people from the UK are socialists?
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/6/2008 2:19:50 AM
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As a Brit, I think it's wonderful that Obama won. So glad the Republicans didn't get back in.
socialists of a feather flock together.
Are you saying that all obama supporters are socialists or that all people from the UK are socialists?
If you agree with a socialist, and vote for a socialist, then yes you are a socialist, regardless of your country of origin.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/6/2008 3:33:04 AM
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God help us.
I agree with this in general. I pray that God help us. Even if McCain got into office God help us.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/6/2008 3:41:54 AM
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I don't think either one of them was the right man for the job. Some here however seem to be acting as if McCain winning would have saved the universe. McCain wasn't sent from God to be our savior. It was not his time as evidence by his loss. Treating Obama as if he is the devil himself is equally wrong. Saying he fooled everyone could be well and true but assuming McCain is telling the entire truth and would have been better for us is well silly. There is no way of knowing. We should be praying for the man that won. That if he isn't already serving God that he will. He and his household. People also seem to be forgetting that God is the ruler of this universe. He saw fit that Obama win. Whether He simply allow it to our own possible destruction or He wanted him there. Lets pray that Obama will be led by the Father that we trust. The one we call Abba.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/6/2008 3:46:08 AM
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God help us.
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That's just it...this country just kick God out. To semi-quote someone now famous, "For the first time in my adult life I am" NOT "proud of my country." Abortion and homosexual marriage are more important than God. Way to go, Obamaians!!!
Huh. God is still here. So I guess that McCain had to have been telling the truth. I mean Republicans are all Christian right? They don't use the fact that some Christians will vote for them if they say they are against abortion, homosexual marriage, etc. Nope they done do that at all.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/6/2008 4:07:34 AM
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As a Brit, I think it's wonderful that Obama won. So glad the Republicans didn't get back in.
socialists of a feather flock together.
Are you saying that all obama supporters are socialists or that all people from the UK are socialists?
If you agree with a socialist, and vote for a socialist, then yes you are a socialist, regardless of your country of origin.
If a Republican uses an idea that came from socialism, is he a socialist? Or is socialism limited to only one political party?
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