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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 12:26:56 PM
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Roberta_
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And i wont even have to lift a finger, Obama will reach deep into my wallet to take what i earned to give to those who didn't.
And the less Christians are willing to help out, the more the world will step in.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 12:51:06 PM
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I understand the historical context of this statement and the resonence it has with black people...but is this really the reason to elect a person president?
But this isn't why all the people (black or white) voted for him. I'm tired of the "blacks voted for the black man because he's black" talk. (I know you didn't say that, but it's been said more than enough times here.) Black people don't just flock to "their kind" and support them no matter what, as if we cannot think. Believe it or not, black people as a whole can think; we can see the man and not the color... and many of us liked the man-- regardless of color.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 1:38:46 PM
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And i wont even have to lift a finger, Obama will reach deep into my wallet to take what i earned to give to those who didn't.
And the less Christians are willing to help out, the more the world will step in.
Because someone is against redistribution of wealth by force it means they are uncharitable?. You don't know me or what i do charity wise. I do help those who are in need, i will not help someone who can help himself but refuses to do so. If you can work but wont you don't even deserve bread. We christians are the most charitable, the world (by "world" i assume you mean government) cant even compete with us, and when they try its by taking from others to give to someone else, government creates no wealth of it's own.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 2:17:42 PM
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I understand the historical context of this statement and the resonence it has with black people...but is this really the reason to elect a person president?
But this isn't why all the people (black or white) voted for him. I'm tired of the "blacks voted for the black man because he's black" talk. (I know you didn't say that, but it's been said more than enough times here.) Black people don't just flock to "their kind" and support them no matter what, as if we cannot think. Believe it or not, black people as a whole can think; we can see the man and not the color... and many of us liked the man-- regardless of color.
Thank you for this post. Yes, 95% of black people voted for a democrat. Um, that's nothing new because black people have voted for democrats 90% of the time in other elections I'm tired of the same argument that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Yes, there were people who voted for him because he was black but others voted for him because they agreed with the change that he wanted to make for the country. Again black people can think and read and decide who to vote for. It's not right to say that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Just like it would be wrong for me to say that all people who voted for McCain was racist. (I don't think that, just wanted to show an example of what people could think of all McCain supporters) We are suppose to be Christians here. Stop generalizing an entire race of people. I find it insulting to read. I voted on issues and not race!
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 2:58:07 PM
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I will agree to this...we don't know if Obama is a socialist because..we...do...not...know...Obama.
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Germans when they listened to Hitler.
Please do not compare Obama to Hitler. Hitler was much more influential, powerful and dramatic. He almost led a small country to world domination. Obama...ain't that good.
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I know one reason why many were crying...because he's an African-American President.
I understand the historical context of this statement and the resonence it has with black people...but is this really the reason to elect a person president?
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Not everybody is bowing to him and worshipping him.
I sure hope no christian would.
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Unless you voted for McCain because you didn't want to elect a black man
It wasn't us who voted because of race. Not me. I would hope no christian here did. I voted against Obama in the most effective way I could because of what he believes in. His particular brand of skin pigment had no effect on my vote whatsoever....though it does not surprise me Obama supportes bring this up.
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Are you saying that all obama supporters are socialists or that all people from the UK are socialists?
Liberals are socialists. Britian has a socialist government. You draw the lines.
Just wanted to clarify: I didn't compare Obama to Hitler. I compared his glassy-eyed supporters to Hitler's glassy-eyed supporters. 
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 3:11:14 PM
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I understand the historical context of this statement and the resonence it has with black people...but is this really the reason to elect a person president?
But this isn't why all the people (black or white) voted for him. I'm tired of the "blacks voted for the black man because he's black" talk. (I know you didn't say that, but it's been said more than enough times here.) Black people don't just flock to "their kind" and support them no matter what, as if we cannot think. Believe it or not, black people as a whole can think; we can see the man and not the color... and many of us liked the man-- regardless of color.
Thank you for this post. Yes, 95% of black people voted for a democrat. Um, that's nothing new because black people have voted for democrats 90% of the time in other elections I'm tired of the same argument that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Yes, there were people who voted for him because he was black but others voted for him because they agreed with the change that he wanted to make for the country. Again black people can think and read and decide who to vote for. It's not right to say that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Just like it would be wrong for me to say that all people who voted for McCain was racist. (I don't think that, just wanted to show an example of what people could think of all McCain supporters) We are suppose to be Christians here. Stop generalizing an entire race of people. I find it insulting to read. I voted on issues and not race!
We are not naive here. African Americans have never had one of their own ever get this close to the Presidency. They voted for Obama because he was black #1 and #2 they also liked him and what he said. Just be honest about it. No one thinks there is anything wrong with it. Your race has lived through some things white Americans have not. I'd rather hear you admit that you voted for him because you were proud that an African American made it this far. I feel worse that you say you voted for him because of the issues because as I have said in other threads, he is rabidly pro-abortion, voting against the Child Protection Act and being for partial birth abortion, he wants to take from the rich and give to the poor (socialism) and he is for gun control and I am sure will not stand up to Congress ever as he has never stood up to anyone in his own party.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 3:18:36 PM
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I do believe his color was one reason that the majority of blacks took into consideration in voting for him
How do you know? How many black people have you asked, and how does that compare to the total number of African Americans in the USA?
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 3:22:56 PM
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I understand the historical context of this statement and the resonence it has with black people...but is this really the reason to elect a person president?
But this isn't why all the people (black or white) voted for him. I'm tired of the "blacks voted for the black man because he's black" talk. (I know you didn't say that, but it's been said more than enough times here.) Black people don't just flock to "their kind" and support them no matter what, as if we cannot think. Believe it or not, black people as a whole can think; we can see the man and not the color... and many of us liked the man-- regardless of color.
Thank you for this post. Yes, 95% of black people voted for a democrat. Um, that's nothing new because black people have voted for democrats 90% of the time in other elections I'm tired of the same argument that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Yes, there were people who voted for him because he was black but others voted for him because they agreed with the change that he wanted to make for the country. Again black people can think and read and decide who to vote for. It's not right to say that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Just like it would be wrong for me to say that all people who voted for McCain was racist. (I don't think that, just wanted to show an example of what people could think of all McCain supporters) We are suppose to be Christians here. Stop generalizing an entire race of people. I find it insulting to read. I voted on issues and not race!
We are not naive here. African Americans have never had one of their own ever get this close to the Presidency. They voted for Obama because he was black #1 and #2 they also liked him and what he said. Just be honest about it. No one thinks there is anything wrong with it. Your race has lived through some things white Americans have not. I'd rather hear you admit that you voted for him because you were proud that an African American made it this far. I feel worse that you say you voted for him because of the issues because as I have said in other threads, he is rabidly pro-abortion, voting against the Child Protection Act and being for partial birth abortion, he wants to take from the rich and give to the poor (socialism) and he is for gun control and I am sure will not stand up to Congress ever as he has never stood up to anyone in his own party.
There are SOME blacks who voted for him because he's black, but some voted for him because they agree with him more than they agree with McCain. It's racist to say that all black people vote for black people because they share the same race. Black people have brains; black people can think; black people don't (all) just stick with the black person who's running. Of course some voted for him because he's black; what people here usually say is that all the blacks voted for the black because of the skin color. THAT is a racist statement, and it's not true.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 3:29:19 PM
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I understand the historical context of this statement and the resonence it has with black people...but is this really the reason to elect a person president?
But this isn't why all the people (black or white) voted for him. I'm tired of the "blacks voted for the black man because he's black" talk. (I know you didn't say that, but it's been said more than enough times here.) Black people don't just flock to "their kind" and support them no matter what, as if we cannot think. Believe it or not, black people as a whole can think; we can see the man and not the color... and many of us liked the man-- regardless of color.
Thank you for this post. Yes, 95% of black people voted for a democrat. Um, that's nothing new because black people have voted for democrats 90% of the time in other elections I'm tired of the same argument that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Yes, there were people who voted for him because he was black but others voted for him because they agreed with the change that he wanted to make for the country. Again black people can think and read and decide who to vote for. It's not right to say that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Just like it would be wrong for me to say that all people who voted for McCain was racist. (I don't think that, just wanted to show an example of what people could think of all McCain supporters) We are suppose to be Christians here. Stop generalizing an entire race of people. I find it insulting to read. I voted on issues and not race!
I'm also thankful for these posts. But, some people are going to believe what they want to believe - and no matter how much evidence you give them. To them, it doesn't matter that in the beginning, more blacks supported Clinton than Obama. It doesn't matter that McCain did very little to court black voters during his campaign run. It doesn't matter that blacks have overwhelmingly democratic for many years and have routinely voted for white people who were running for office, but where democratic. (And have sometimes voted against the very few black republicans that have run - as was the case in the 2006 senate election in Maryland - when Michael Steele lost to Ben Cardin). It doesn't matter that the median income for black people as a whole is lower than whites - even if you control for educational level - and thus, many of the plans articulated by the democrats (including the tax plan) would be to the benefit of people that make less than $200K a year. It doesn't matter that polls have shown, since close to the inception of the Iraq war, a much higher percentage of people within the black community have been opposed to the war, and that Obama repeatedly expressed opposition to it. It doesn't matter that the unemployment rate for blacks is higher than whites (it is usually close to double the rate of whites at any given point in time - but October 2008 it was 11.1 compared to 5.9) and that perhaps, the recent economic meltdown may just have impacted blacks as well. It doesn't matter that McCain didn't seem to be able to get the message out of how he was different than Bush - or that Bush's approval rating is quite low (and it has never been that high among black voters - except maybe around the time of 9/11).
No. To some, all of that means nothing. In some people's minds, we saw he was black, and then in Pavlovian fashion, simply pulled the lever (or pressed the option on the touch screen or darkened the arrow on the voting ballot). Look, if that were the case - what about Sharpton, McKinney, Braun, Fulani, or Keyes - all of whom are black, and all of whom have run for president during the last four election cycles? None of those people even got 50% of the black vote (and most got significantly less). The facts are that Obama had a message that resonated with many people, he spoke to the base while also speaking to those in the center, he stayed on message, he skillfully managed and executed a presidential campaign that raised record amounts of money from small donors which allowed him to get his message out to more people, he used social networking technology skillfully to energize and harness the power of his supporters, and probably most importantly - he was able to clearly articulate how his presidency would be different from Bush's. There is a huge difference between being excited about the fact that his election is a demonstration that anyone in the native born U.S. citizen can attain the nation's highest office - and simply voting for someone because they are black.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 3:37:23 PM
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steph381
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I understand the historical context of this statement and the resonence it has with black people...but is this really the reason to elect a person president?
But this isn't why all the people (black or white) voted for him. I'm tired of the "blacks voted for the black man because he's black" talk. (I know you didn't say that, but it's been said more than enough times here.) Black people don't just flock to "their kind" and support them no matter what, as if we cannot think. Believe it or not, black people as a whole can think; we can see the man and not the color... and many of us liked the man-- regardless of color.
Thank you for this post. Yes, 95% of black people voted for a democrat. Um, that's nothing new because black people have voted for democrats 90% of the time in other elections I'm tired of the same argument that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Yes, there were people who voted for him because he was black but others voted for him because they agreed with the change that he wanted to make for the country. Again black people can think and read and decide who to vote for. It's not right to say that all black people voted for Obama because he was black. Just like it would be wrong for me to say that all people who voted for McCain was racist. (I don't think that, just wanted to show an example of what people could think of all McCain supporters) We are suppose to be Christians here. Stop generalizing an entire race of people. I find it insulting to read. I voted on issues and not race!
We are not naive here. African Americans have never had one of their own ever get this close to the Presidency. They voted for Obama because he was black #1 and #2 they also liked him and what he said. Just be honest about it. No one thinks there is anything wrong with it. Your race has lived through some things white Americans have not. I'd rather hear you admit that you voted for him because you were proud that an African American made it this far. I feel worse that you say you voted for him because of the issues because as I have said in other threads, he is rabidly pro-abortion, voting against the Child Protection Act and being for partial birth abortion, he wants to take from the rich and give to the poor (socialism) and he is for gun control and I am sure will not stand up to Congress ever as he has never stood up to anyone in his own party.
Who are you to tell me why I voted? I know who I voted for and why I voted. Your post was nothing but a generalization of all black people. Again, I could make the same arguement and say that all of the white Mccain supporters voted for him because they are racist. Again, I don't believe that but just because I don't agree with your candidate you try to belittle me as a person and say that I can only vote on race. As far as his abortion stance, Obama in the debates explained why he voted the way he did regarding abortion. Yes there are some things about Obama that I don't like. Just like there were some things about McCain that I didn't like. All in all, lets just end the stereotyping of people.
When I read quotes like "they voted for Obama because he was black" it just breaks my heart. Are you saying that black people are dumb and can't decide on issues? Yes people did vote because of color but to generalize the entire African-American race is just an insult plain and simple! I have read on the board that people are tired of the race card and that many white people are tired of black people thinking that you are racist simply because you are white. Well, I'm tired of people saying that all black people only voted for Obama because he was black. In the end we are all Christians, Jesus will judge us on our actions and not our skin color! God Bless.
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RE: Congratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama - 11/9/2008 4:38:11 PM
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