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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 7:57:16 AM
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Casaubon
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According to Fox News the popular vote split was 52.3% to 46.4%. Doesn't this make McCain less popular than Gore or Kerry?
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 8:00:11 AM
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Why is it wrong for a black person to vote for Obama just because he's black, but it's okay for an "evangelical" to vote for Palin because she's also "evangelical"?
Don't get me wrong, I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for Barr. And I don't care if you vote based on religion. But why would one reason be okay, and the other not?
Because if she is evangelical then she believes (and has stated) in what the Bible says is right. As christians, we should do our best to be the salt and light to this world and as American citizens, that means we need to do our best to elect people into office who use the Bible as "a lamp onto our feet and a light onto our path." Electing a person because of the color of their skin is nothing but racisim... regardless whether that person is black or white. Imagine what blacks would be saying if McCain had won with 98% (That was the last percentage of black voters that voted for Obama that I heard last night) of white people voting for him? When there is that large of a percentage of one race voting for a candidate who is also of that same race, then that screams racisim. Ironically, I think the fact that the white voters were more evenly split between the candidates speaks greatly about the fact that whites have moved beyond racisim while the blacks are still using it as a trump card whenever they can.
The person who commented about the college crowd leaning towards Obama are right. You put college kids in a university and pump evolution into their heads and you pump rebellion into their hearts, they are going to go with that. At that age they haven't learned from life what is true and right and good. One only needs to look at the hippie generation to see that their line of thinking doesn't work. Ironically, I work with two college age women who still live with their parents and they both voted for McCain.
We were discussing the election at work yesterday and one of my coworkers with 1 son in Iraq and 1 son returned from Iraq was expressing her fears of Obama winning. Obama supports troop funding cut backs as a solution to getting the troops out of Iraq. She says that their funding is already so cut back that they have to buy their own sheets and blankets and pillows! Even their food while in Iraq is deducted from their paychecks each month.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 8:11:51 AM
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SonInMe1
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Obama got the people to the polls.
Yes he did. This is a good thing. For once it is proven our nation is NOT racist. Our nation elected a man it wanted. Too bad they don't know the man they elected. No one does...but we will.
The economy. Its based on many factors and its hard to blame anything or anyone for it but...there is no doubt we will not have confidence in our economy with President Obama at the reigns. Confidence is a major factor.
Taxes will rise.
There will be less employed.
I hear Jesse and Oprah cried when President Obama was elected. I wonder...would they have shown the same emotion if Alan Keyes was elected? Or JC Watts? Somehow, I doubt it.
I don't think our nation will be more divided than it already is. I think what this election showed was middle of the road conservatism cannot win against a liberal candidate.
I did what I could. I voted against President Obama in the most effective way I could. So...its not my fault. I cannot see success comign from this election. I do not see President Obama as being a middle of the road democrat like Clinton was.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 8:30:47 AM
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Electing a person because of the color of their skin is nothing but racisim... regardless whether that person is black or white. Imagine what blacks would be saying if McCain had won with 98% (That was the last percentage of black voters that voted for Obama that I heard last night) of white people voting for him? When there is that large of a percentage of one race voting for a candidate who is also of that same race, then that screams racisim. Ironically, I think the fact that the white voters were more evenly split between the candidates speaks greatly about the fact that whites have moved beyond racisim while the blacks are still using it as a trump card whenever they can.
Thank you for your comment. This is the point I was looking to make.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 8:55:28 AM
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This election truly shows that we are a Nation divided. Obama won on a single issue. But political correctness will not allow me to state the obvious, wait for the exit polls to see how he won.
Yup we sure are a nation divided. I hope Obama remembers that when he's trying to lead the country. Remembers that half the voter population didn't vote for him and didn't want him as President.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 9:00:05 AM
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This election truly shows that we are a Nation divided. Obama won on a single issue. But political correctness will not allow me to state the obvious, wait for the exit polls to see how he won.
His election was a rejection of this type of 'thinking'.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 9:02:16 AM
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Yup we sure are a nation divided. I hope Obama remembers that when he's trying to lead the country. Remembers that half the voter population didn't vote for him and didn't want him as President.
It's only divided to the extent people refuse to work together and recognize that governing is the art of compromise...as Senator McCain so eloquently stated last nigt.
As an Independent voter, I am sick and tired of the ideological arguments used to divide this nation over the last 25 years.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 9:06:33 AM
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Yes, race played a part in getting people to register to vote. But the economy was the biggest factor. The young voter and college age voter also played a decisive part in the mix.
Yes, it is amazing how the economy took center stage in this election after two years of it being focused on the war in Iraq.
Of course though, I'm not suggesting in the least that there was ANY manipulation of the stock market or banking industry... Oh no. That might put this thread into the conspiracy folder. Can't have that, can we? 
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 9:34:36 AM
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On my way home from work yesterday (11/4/08), I heard where a black woman who was about 79 or so say why she voted for Obama. The only reason she gave was that she voted for him because he was the first African-American candidate. This makes one wonder how many others voted for him for just that reason alone.
Why is it wrong for a black person to vote for Obama just because he's black, but it's okay for an "evangelical" to vote for Palin because she's also "evangelical"?
Don't get me wrong, I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for Barr. And I don't care if you vote based on religion. But why would one reason be okay, and the other not?
Folks, there have been forty-three (43) consecutive caucasian Presidents. I see nothing wrong with blacks being happy about the 44th one being black (actually biracial). If I were black i would have voted for him for that reason alone. being caucasian, I have the luxury of not having race be a big deal in how I vote.
I attended segregated schools when I was young and have seen how different things are and the fear each time the "first black this-or-that" happens. The fear has never played out in reality. It won't this time, either.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 9:35:23 AM
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I agree it was single issue but not race.
1.) Economy
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2.) Economy bad = Bush's fault = McCain bad because he Republican too.
That's as deep as the thought got for the majority of Obama voters I think.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 9:38:05 AM
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If you're black and voted for a black person, that's okay. But a white person better not admit to voting for a candidate just because he/she is white or that would be considered "racial." I'm tired of the double standard. If voting because of race is racial, then it should apply both ways!
Having said that, I believe a voter should vote based on ISSUES ALONE. It really should not matter what color of skin the candidate is wrapped in!
And, YES, I believe Obama is racially divisive.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 10:13:07 AM
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I hear Jesse and Oprah cried when President Obama was elected. I wonder...would they have shown the same emotion if Alan Keyes was elected? Or JC Watts? Somehow, I doubt it.
You're right. And that makes it clear they voted for Obama for more than his skin color.
(Although seeing Jesse in the crowd made me think of his little verbal faux-pas on that news program.)
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 10:18:13 AM
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Acts29
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On my way home from work yesterday (11/4/08), I heard where a black woman who was about 79 or so say why she voted for Obama. The only reason she gave was that she voted for him because he was the first African-American candidate. This makes one wonder how many others voted for him for just that reason alone.
Why is it wrong for a black person to vote for Obama just because he's black, but it's okay for an "evangelical" to vote for Palin because she's also "evangelical"?
Don't get me wrong, I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for Barr. And I don't care if you vote based on religion. But why would one reason be okay, and the other not?
You are comparing apples to oranges. Person who votes on someone just because of their skin color is not concerned about *how* they will vote or represent them.
The person who votes on someone because of their beliefs is concerned about that person's morals and ethics and *how* they will vote or represent them.
See the difference?
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 10:58:32 AM
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I hear Jesse and Oprah cried when President Obama was elected. I wonder...would they have shown the same emotion if Alan Keyes was elected? Or JC Watts? Somehow, I doubt it. That's because they didn't support him on race alone. While race is a factor for both of them, I don't think it was the ONLY factor.
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Remembers that half the voter population didn't vote for him and didn't want him as President. Uh, less than half. Both Kerry and Gore got more of the popular vote than McCain and yet Bush claimed a "mandate". As much as I would like to see Obama claim a mandate (I think he has one) I doubt he will go there - he truly wants to unite. Unlike our current on the way out guy.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 11:09:17 AM
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Black people tend to vote Democrat. So, I'm not going to accuse them of doing so this year just because Obama is black, just as I would hope that they would understand that I pretty much vote Republican every year due to being pro-life, and the fact that I did so again this year has nothing to do with the fact that McCain is white.
Sure, a few people may have voted Obama who otherwise would not have because he's black, and a few people may have voted McCain who otherwise would not have because he's not black, but I would hope the numbers wouldn't be significant enough to have an actual effect on the outcome.
Ask my hubby and he'll tell you Obama won because of Bush. 8 years of anything but fiscal conservatism, 8 years of him not defending himself against the constant accusations, 8 years of not explaining himself, 8 years of the media pounding on how horrible things in Iraq and Afghanistan and here at home are with no rebuttals, and an economy in the toilet and being blamed on Bush whether he deserves it or not, of course people are going to want a change. I think that's a far, far more accurate assessment than just saying "well, so many people wanted to vote for a black man".
Were people excited about making history with our first black president? I'm sure many were, I think it's kind of cool myself and I didn't even vote for him, but to claim that that's the only motivator is kind of absurd.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 11:10:17 AM
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As much as I would like to see Obama claim a mandate (I think he has one) I doubt he will go there - he truly wants to unite. Unlike our current on the way out guy.
I personally see Obama as more of an appeaser than uniter. I read articles about his past where he would rarely take a side in disputes. We'll see how that works out.
I still haven't heard any principled speeches from him, just lofty, grandiose, fluffy words.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 11:22:38 AM
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Obama got the people to the polls.
Yes he did. This is a good thing. For once it is proven our nation is NOT racist. Our nation elected a man it wanted. Too bad they don't know the man they elected. No one does...but we will.
Actually, the numbers so far seem to be indicating lower turnout than in 2004. From CNN, the total votes cast for the Republican and Democratic candidates (can't find any third party numbers for 2008 yet):
2008 - 118,702,454
2004 - 121,068,715
I don't know how many votes there are left to tally, though. Could over 2 million still be uncounted?
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 11:23:55 AM
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if you all admire mccain, he said that he will work WITH obama to make this country what it should be..and we should all too.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 11:31:56 AM
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Remembers that half the voter population didn't vote for him and didn't want him as President. Uh, less than half. Both Kerry and Gore got more of the popular vote than McCain and yet Bush claimed a "mandate". As much as I would like to see Obama claim a mandate (I think he has one) I doubt he will go there - he truly wants to unite. Unlike our current on the way out guy.
A president gets a mandate not from the vote for him alone, but from the results of the congressional vote.
This is why Obama did not get a mandate in this election.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 11:50:45 AM
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You are comparing apples to oranges. Person who votes on someone just because of their skin color is not concerned about *how* they will vote or represent them.
The person who votes on someone because of their beliefs is concerned about that person's morals and ethics and *how* they will vote or represent them.
See the difference?
Yes, I see the difference. The difference is you. In your mind, you WANT these two things to be different, because then, if you vote for someone who's like you, in this case because of religion, then you are "voting your conscience." But if someone else, like a black person, votes for someone who is like them, then they are "racist."
I'm not saying your wrong. You have a right to vote for whomever you want. I just don't see where a bunch of people who go to the same type of church think it's no big deal that they all voted for Palin, but it's "racist" for an African American to vote for Obama.
I voted for Barr, and I did not check either his race or color before voting. I'm pretty sure he's male, but that's not a big issue for me either.
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RE: A Nation Divided - 11/5/2008 12:09:29 PM
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Black people tend to vote Democrat. So, I'm not going to accuse them of doing so this year just because Obama is black, just as I would hope that they would understand that I pretty much vote Republican every year due to being pro-life, and the fact that I did so again this year has nothing to do with the fact that McCain is white.
Sure, a few people may have voted Obama who otherwise would not have because he's black, and a few people may have voted McCain who otherwise would not have because he's not black, but I would hope the numbers wouldn't be significant enough to have an actual effect on the outcome.
Ask my hubby and he'll tell you Obama won because of Bush. 8 years of anything but fiscal conservatism, 8 years of him not defending himself against the constant accusations, 8 years of not explaining himself, 8 years of the media pounding on how horrible things in Iraq and Afghanistan and here at home are with no rebuttals, and an economy in the toilet and being blamed on Bush whether he deserves it or not, of course people are going to want a change. I think that's a far, far more accurate assessment than just saying "well, so many people wanted to vote for a black man".
Were people excited about making history with our first black president? I'm sure many were, I think it's kind of cool myself and I didn't even vote for him, but to claim that that's the only motivator is kind of absurd.
Thanks for this post. I agree with a lot of things that you said. Black people have always tended to lean towards democrats. I think that Obama race may have him more appealing to some people at the beginning, but I think it was his message that kept people.
I'm tired of people assuming just because I'm young and black that I have no knowledge. I educated myself on the issues. Yes, some black people did vote because of his race. This is a very historical event. My sister did not vote for Obama because she didn't agree with his policies. However, she is still happy that America is able to elect a black (biracial) candidate.
In the end the one issue that bothered people in my opinion was the economy. Money only has one color: GREEN!!!
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