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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 1:11:25 PM
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cow451
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Well, if he had been younger, less white, a better communicator, was able to distinguish himself by having held historically different positions from Obama (i.e., was actually conservative), had rejected public financing, and was able to single handedly solve the economic crisis, Obama wouldn't have had a chance.
Two things. First, he was eight years late (blame the GOP and naive religious "right"). Second, some of the key GOP wags sandbagged him. Ann, Rush, Dr. Dobson, et al.
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 1:13:00 PM
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I truly believe we can thank the current president - George Bush - for helping Obama get elected. And the "Blame it on Bush" mantra just keeps on going... 
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 1:20:16 PM
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but also, the other obstacles did not hamper Obama's win of presidency... his birth certificate, his alleged ties with jeremiah wright and ayers, the attack on him of inexperience, the allegations of him being a muslim and what that means, etc etc etc..
The WorldNutDaily crowd couldn't find anything that would "stick". Even FOX pumped some of this stuff and McCain beat the Ayers horse beyond reason in the final debate. Intelligent independent voters saw through it as updated Swift Boat tactics.
President-elect Antichrist has the Reagan-like "Teflon" quality. It kept him above the muck. He also has the ability to disarm and charm on a personal level (Clinton apparently could do this as well-- all jokes aside).
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 1:29:11 PM
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The left will be blaming it on Bush for at least two more generations. Obama did not overcome anything. With a complicit media and his dishonored word to use public campaign financing, Obama had smooth sailing. And the race card. He played it, his followers played it, and the media helped prepare the field. To me, it just shows how dumbed down we have become. We have been given the leader we've asked for. As we've moved away from God, He has given us over to our depravity. And we still blame it on Bush.
If things are worse in four years than they are now, paste a picture of GW Bush on your mirror so you can continue to blame Bush.
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 1:30:27 PM
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We all talk about GWB's low approval rating, what about the other two legislative branches that have a 10-15% lower approval rating. It only says one thing, both democrats and republicans are losers. And we're looking for them to help us out of this mess? Give me a break.
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 1:36:17 PM
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Again,I am not an American so my point may not matter much.But if i was an American,I wouldn't care Obama saved me from the financial crisis and all the other "positive' things he may do.My concern is his stand on Abortion and Gay Marriage,I rather be the poorest man on earth than to say yes to Abortion and Gay marriage.
I truly believe we can thank the current president - George Bush - for helping Obama get elected.
He sure didn't help the situation but I wouldn't say that he is at fault.It's just that in this day of age it would be a miracle for a conservative to win the American Election(Not saying that McCain is a conservative).
And Lets face it,Most Americans/people who profess to be christians are not and that is evident in their lifestyle and vote.
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 1:43:51 PM
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GWB does not have the lowest approval rating. Truman does if you are going to be honest with the polls. And now look at how Truman is rated among the Presidents. The only poll I care about with the apporval rating from a historical view point is Gallup since they were the only ones doing polls on aproval rating as far back as the 1940s.
Besides considering that we just expanded the congress that has a lower approval rating then Bush basically tells me people really don't know what they want and just do what the Press tells them to.
As far as the OP is concerened this was always the Democrats to win so I would say Obama really had no Obsticles but the fact that he didn't win by 10 or so points I find more instersting from a historical point of view.
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 1:43:51 PM
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We all talk about GWB's low approval rating, what about the other two legislative branches that have a 10-15% lower approval rating. It only says one thing, both democrats and republicans are losers. And we're looking for them to help us out of this mess? Give me a break.
Why is it we rarely hear about the low approval rating of congress? Mainstream media. They tell us what they want us to know, Is there an agenda?
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What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 1:46:49 PM
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what do you think made mccain lose the election? what could mccain have done to win?
IMO McCain lost the election in large part because he broke his promise to "not take the low road to the highest office in the nation" and went completely negative early on in the campaign.
It was not until the last 2 weeks or so that you actually heard McCain campaigning about how HE would be different that George Bush and how HIS policies differed from Obama. He spent most of the summer talking more about how awful Obama was and how everyone Obama knows is a terrorist, that no one knew what HE stood for other than against Obama. This is the greatest shame of his campaign because if he had used the same stump speech he did in his last day of campaigning where he toted HIS experience and HIS ideas for making America a better, safer nation, I believe he would have won -- in spite of the economic meltdown.
Another great mistake he made was breaking his promise that he would select a vice president that would be immediately ready to step in to the office of the presidency if anything should happen to him and then selecting Sarah Palin. Sarah may have brought in the far right but it lost him all the independents and conservative democrats who now questioned his judgement.
IMO had he selected a Mitt Romney or even the candidate he wanted - Joe Lieberman - he would have been able to campaign on the "experience" issue up til the end. He may have lost the vote of single issue voters whose only concern is abortion or gay rights, but he would have gained much of the middle and I think most of the right as well. You can no longer win an election with the extreme right.
Of course, Joe the plumber didn't help. His injection into McCain's campaign just insulted the intelligence of the American people. The eleventh hour endorcement of Dick Cheney wasnt' helpful either.
Finally, what put the nail in the coffin was McCain's erratic move to suspend his campaign and ride into washington to solve the economic crisis. His injecting politics into an already volitile situation and spending most of his time in washington on the phone, did not give many Americans the confidence to believe he would handle being "tested" by a foreign crisis well.
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 2:10:40 PM
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I quite frankly don't see what obsticles the guy had considering the preponderance of pro Bama progressive lib media and money thrown at him WORLDWIDE during this entire campaign. The guy doesn't impress me as being some sort of pariah by any stretch of the imagination.
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RE: What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 2:16:46 PM
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-it could also be this - blurb (the story explains what made mccain lose .. i.e. the one line that he said "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" just as the worst financial time was happening, it was as if mccain was clueless about the financial disaster we were in at that particular time.
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/how-mccain-blew-the-election/238805?icid=100214839x1212420594x1200765997
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A piece in the Houston Chronicle points to the week following Sept. 15 as a crucial point. That's when McCain made his now-infamous statement that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" just as the financial system started to crumble
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RE: What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 2:18:37 PM
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Do you understand what the fundamentals of our economy are?
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RE: What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 2:23:26 PM
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Do you understand what the fundamentals of our economy are?
Capitalism?
for some reason, this article states that mccain saying that made mccain clueless about the state of the economy. And further down his team heard it,, the ones who carefully watch every single teeny tiny detail of his campaign and they said "oh no, he did not just say that!!!???" as if it was the iceberg that started to take the Titanic down.
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 2:25:03 PM
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Great example Obama!!! to express to our youth blame it on someone else…
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Wow. I don't think I've ever heard it put so dangerously that way. That whole Oprah-like feel good about yourself and out with the old ideas (discipline and integrity) and in with the new. Is that what this whole "change" banner is about? Change the country to suit me?
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RE: What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 2:25:52 PM
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what do you think made mccain lose the election? what could mccain have done to win?
IMO McCain lost the election in large part because he broke his promise to "not take the low road to the highest office in the nation" and went completely negative early on in the campaign.
The truth is being proven to be negitive ...now a days!!
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 2:27:23 PM
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.it wasn't until 2004 when the DEMS had a majority in the houses. Uh, nice try, but it was 2006 before the Dems got a slim majority.
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RE: What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 2:31:48 PM
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Do you understand what the fundamentals of our economy are?
Capitalism?
I think you're on to something.
Here's what Obama had to say about the economy just 15 days after McCain.
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"After this immediate problem, we've got the long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows."
It's not surprising that he would say this. Although his political advisers have urged him to use McCain's words on the campaign trail, his economic advisers have been saying, in effect, that McCain was right. And sometimes they say it in public. Last week, Obama economic adviser Jason Furman told the Washington Post: "This is a major fiscal problem in the short run, but it doesn't alter the long-term fiscal picture." Link here
The fundamentals of our economy ARE strong! Just keep government interferance out of it.
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RE: Obama Overcame All Obsticles Thrown at him - 11/5/2008 2:32:26 PM
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Again,I am not an American so my point may not matter much.But if i was an American,I wouldn't care Obama saved me from the financial crisis and all the other "positive' things he may do.My concern is his stand on Abortion and Gay Marriage,I rather be the poorest man on earth than to say yes to Abortion and Gay marriage.
I truly believe we can thank the current president - George Bush - for helping Obama get elected.
He sure didn't help the situation but I wouldn't say that he is at fault.It's just that in this day of age it would be a miracle for a conservative to win the American Election(Not saying that McCain is a conservative).
And Lets face it,Most Americans/people who profess to be christians are not and that is evident in their lifestyle and vote.
Preach it, Brother Sammy! We need folks like you in the US of A! 
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RE: What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 2:32:30 PM
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hmmm im rethinking something -
has anyone considered that maybe JUST MAYBE ,, obama won the presidency ...
by earning it..
by deserving it...
by winnning it on his own merits, and efforts..
coz he is the best candidate for the job..
and/or because that is the way voting is set up.. we the people get to vote for whom we want -- because of whatever reason we want ... and the one with the most yes gets to be president.
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RE: What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 2:33:41 PM
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hmmm im rethinking something -
has anyone considered that maybe JUST MAYBE ,, obama won the presidency ...
by earning it..
by deserving it...
by winnning it on his own merits, and efforts..
coz he is the best candidate for the job..
and/or because that is the way voting is set up.. we the people get to vote for whom we want -- because of whatever reason we want ... and the one with the most yes gets to be president.
This oughta be good...
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RE: What went wrong for McCain - 11/5/2008 2:34:56 PM
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Peter - hey but the good thing is - you had a part in deciding who you wanted.
obama could not have done it without the peopel who voted for him. the power was in the people's hands ,,, the voters.
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