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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 8:58:28 PM
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laditricia
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yes i voted. i listened to each candidate, i spoke with members from my church, i prayed and then yesterday i voted. What i tell all my friends and family we vote for who we feel God is directing us to vote for, and then we pray for the one God puts in office.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 9:22:33 PM
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bravjim
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I will be 39 in about 3 weeks. How is my statement naive. How many married women are doing away with their pregnancies? I do notice that you still do not answer the question of what would Jesus say about either of these topics. This raises the question of why you choose to mind the things of the world over the things of the Spirit.
Why is that anyway?
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Women who are not married. They want to avoid the natural consequence of their sin, therefore sin is begetting sin.
 Are you really this niave???? How old are YOU?
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 9:39:09 PM
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TorchHeart
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I will be 39 in about 3 weeks. How is my statement naive. How many married women are doing away with their pregnancies? I do notice that you still do not answer the question of what would Jesus say about either of these topics. This raises the question of why you choose to mind the things of the world over the things of the Spirit.
Why is that anyway?
Hmm. Good question. Perhaps you should ask yourself the same one. Why are you minding things of the world over things of the Spirit?
I did answer your question. Look back, son.
Its naive because you don't know why women are getting abortions. they're not all single unmarried women who commited "sin." There are a number of issues that go into it (poverty, deformities of the fetus, life-threatening conditions of the mom, etc.). Not all of them any better than the rest, but still. It just shows how out of touch you are with the issue.
Somehow, I doubt you're 38 gioing on 39.
Again, I wash my hands of this. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ turly enters your life and influences your heart.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 9:41:00 PM
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If you need any more guidance, then ask yourself, what would Jesus Himself say about abortion or the concept of redefining marriage!
I'm not the one who needs guidance. That's been shown. I have asked Christ for His guidance, and I believe that He is leading and has led me down the path I chose in the election booth. I believe He has shown me the hearts of the men we were choosing, as well as shown the results of what we have chosen in the past. I believe that I am still following Him.
So, if you have voted for Obama according to your conviction supposedly given by God, what about those who vote for Sara Palin, again, according to the conviction supposedly given by God?
Maybe we who vote for Sara Palin got cooked by an angel came wearing sheep's skin?
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 10:29:31 PM
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My feeling is whether or not I voted for him, Obama is my President-elect. I will support him with my prayers and any other way I can.
I have to agree - while I grieved over it for a bit, I know that I have to pray for this man, and my nation. This is who America chose - we have to work with what we have and I still believe God can move on his heart to operate under His hand. We have our work cut out for us, let's get to it.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 11:39:37 PM
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I voted yesterday and my guy won :D Some people act like we were voting on who the Messiah is. God is still God regardless of who is president.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/5/2008 11:39:51 PM
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Yes I voted and the person I voted for didn't wwin.
I am disapointed but know whatever happens God is in
control,and his will will be done.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 12:08:36 AM
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bravjim
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I will be 39 in about 3 weeks. How is my statement naive. How many married women are doing away with their pregnancies? I do notice that you still do not answer the question of what would Jesus say about either of these topics. This raises the question of why you choose to mind the things of the world over the things of the Spirit.
Why is that anyway?
Hmm. Good question. Perhaps you should ask yourself the same one. Why are you minding things of the world over things of the Spirit?
I did answer your question. Look back, son.
Its naive because you don't know why women are getting abortions. they're not all single unmarried women who commited "sin." There are a number of issues that go into it (poverty, deformities of the fetus, life-threatening conditions of the mom, etc.). Not all of them any better than the rest, but still. It just shows how out of touch you are with the issue.
Somehow, I doubt you're 38 gioing on 39.
Again, I wash my hands of this. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ turly enters your life and influences your heart.
First, I was born 11/23/69. You do the math. To say I'm not, is to call me a liar. Is that what christians say to one another? Second of all, if you answered the question that I posed, I did not see it anywhere. Third, which of those reasons do you think that Jesus would find acceptable? To say I am out of touch with the issue is completely off base. I just recognize what Sarah Palin did when it comes to deformities as the type of action that God would approve of. Poverty is no excuse, not in this country. The only one that I think He would not call sin, and I cannot say for sure would be if it threatened the mother's life. Last, my positions come directly from an attitude that is straight out of God's word. I am taking a spiritual mind to the situation, not a worldly point of view towards it. So why are you accusing me of taking a worldly point of view.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 12:37:01 AM
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I will be 39 in about 3 weeks. How is my statement naive. How many married women are doing away with their pregnancies? I do notice that you still do not answer the question of what would Jesus say about either of these topics. This raises the question of why you choose to mind the things of the world over the things of the Spirit.
Why is that anyway?
Hmm. Good question. Perhaps you should ask yourself the same one. Why are you minding things of the world over things of the Spirit?
I did answer your question. Look back, son.
Its naive because you don't know why women are getting abortions. they're not all single unmarried women who commited "sin." There are a number of issues that go into it (poverty, deformities of the fetus, life-threatening conditions of the mom, etc.). Not all of them any better than the rest, but still. It just shows how out of touch you are with the issue.
Somehow, I doubt you're 38 gioing on 39.
Again, I wash my hands of this. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ turly enters your life and influences your heart.
I am sorry... but this is a very immature answer.... however, this is the same type of wishy-washy, flip-flop answer you could expect from Obama or Biden. 
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 7:31:47 AM
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Again, I wash my hands of this. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ turly enters your life and influences your heart.
in order to be united with Orama who will no doubt sign measures for or cancel any measures against abortion, gay marriage, and WRITE bad checks to sooth those poor and need, empty promise if you will, just like your heart was influenced to go with him?
Surely your hand is clean since you have washed your hand when your hand-anointed king signs a bill that would allow gay marriage, putting pastors, in danger, who refuse to marry gays against their religious conviction or preach against their life style according to the Bible.
I am afraid that your prayer may be answered in your favor.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 7:45:53 AM
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Obama may not be powerful enough to ruin our nation (according to one poster and I disagree), but he IS an antichrist. My view as a believer has changed in that I believe we are witnessing a further movement into the end times.
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
1 John 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 7:51:50 AM
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(poverty, deformities of the fetus, life-threatening conditions of the mom, etc.
Poverty is a reason for murder?
Deformities? Life is life. If it is viable it is not deformed.
I believe its 100% when the life of the mother is threatened by a child in the womb the child is not viable, it will not survive anyways so life of the mother is the only reason for an abortion.
I will pray for President Obama. I will also fight any non-christian stance he deems to take. I will not insult him or call him names. I will not follow him because he is the president anymore than germans should have followed Hitler....not to say Obama is Hitler, not at all. Just because someone is elected does not mean we become his slaves.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:02:23 AM
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Obama may not be powerful enough to ruin our nation (according to one poster and I disagree), but he IS an antichrist. My view as a believer has changed in that I believe we are witnessing a further movement into the end times.
That's quite the assumption you make there. An ignorant one at that. How can you call another believer an antichrist? And why would you without any facts?
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:19:40 AM
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Hey Boy's and Girl's... it's "How'd-He-Do-Dat" Time!!!
(some of you younger ones have no clue what I am referring to... it's an old kids show)
You see... your 'man' thats all about "change" is already regressing into old Dem habits by selecting folks from the Clinton fiasco to be on his cabinet. Wow... that took alot of original thinking.
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Again, I wash my hands of this. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ turly enters your life and influences your heart.
Let's see... there was someone else who washed his hands.... hmmm... let me think... it's coming to me...
I think it was about 2000 years ago... yeah, yeah... it was.
I wonder if he slept well after he saw the results of his choices?
Getting back on topic:
No... my views as a believer haven't changed... just my view of Christians... more now than ever.
Unfortunately, my views of christians have not changed. I still see way to many carnal christians and not nearly enough spiritual christians. If we really want to talk about why the church is not functioning as it should, it would begin and end with the carnality in the church, of those who focus on worldly problems with worldly thinking, rather than the mind of the Spirit. It is as much these folks who say one things and live another way that causes the world to see the christians as hypocrites. Luckily, there are a number of spiritual christians to talk to on these forums, but most of the world doesn't come to these forums unless they are trying to question us about our faith, looking to punch holes in it.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:21:38 AM
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I voted yesterday and my guy won :D Some people act like we were voting on who the Messiah is. God is still God regardless of who is president.
God is still God no matter what evil for a time overcomes us, this is true. No matter how dreary, dark, and deceived this world gets, God is still God.
God being God is not a license for evil, right?
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:23:02 AM
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TorchHeart
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Third, which of those reasons do you think that Jesus would find acceptable? To say I am out of touch with the issue is completely off base. I just recognize what Sarah Palin did when it comes to deformities as the type of action that God would approve of. Poverty is no excuse, not in this country. The only one that I think He would not call sin, and I cannot say for sure would be if it threatened the mother's life.
Read my post, son. I never said that any were acceptable. But you stated that the only reason why these women were getting abortions was because they were unwed mothers. That's what I took exception to, because you're out of touch if you think that's the only reason why women get abortions.
I too respect what Sarah Palin did with her child. It was a admirable move she should be applauded for.
As for why I consider you to be in favor of a worldly view: Please... your attitude is formed on how you INTERPRET God's Word. Its is an opinion on what God's Word is.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:23:29 AM
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RamiRedeemed
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I voted yesterday and my guy won :D Some people act like we were voting on who the Messiah is. God is still God regardless of who is president.
God is still God no matter what evil for a time overcomes us, this is true. No matter how dreary, dark, and deceived this world gets, God is still God.
God being God is not a license for evil, right?
I wasn't aware that anyone was trying to license evil...?
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:24:45 AM
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TorchHeart
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Yes I voted and the person I voted for didn't wwin.
I am disapointed but know whatever happens God is in
control,and his will will be done.
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I voted yesterday and my guy won :D Some people act like we were voting on who the Messiah is. God is still God regardless of who is president.
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I have to agree - while I grieved over it for a bit, I know that I have to pray for this man, and my nation. This is who America chose - we have to work with what we have and I still believe God can move on his heart to operate under His hand. We have our work cut out for us, let's get to it.
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Yes I voted yesterday. It did not change my views as a believer. If it did, my beliefs would be in serious trouble. I know Who is in charge, and no matter what the election results were, He is still in charge. 
Why... WHY can we not have more sensible posts like these?!!
I'm not saying that we have to get down on our knees and thank God that Barack Obama is our new President. I'm not saying that people can't be disappointed that McCain didn't win (its like cheering for the Tampa Bay Rays in the World Series... you root for them for a whole year and they don't go all the way??? Yeah, you're going to be disappointed). I'm not saying that Obama might not fall flat on his face and look like a complete clown as the President. Heck, look what he's got to deal with from the moment he gets into office. He might not be able to handle this. Bottom line, though, Obama might be in charge of the United States, but GOD IS IN CHARGE OF THE ENTIRE WORLD (and a heck of a lot more)! Show some faith in Him that this is part of a greater plan and the He can work with Obama AND Congress AND our court system to get this country back on track.
My apologies to Dannyboy and bravjim for if I've gotten out of line. This has become a bitter argument, and is going nowhere. My views, even by my own admission, are getting out of line with Christianity. And with my more-limited knowledge of the Bible, I am in no place to argue against them. I stand down and I offer a sincere apology to both, and anyone else I have offended.
That said, I still stand by my conviction for whom I voted for. I am not disappointed nor ashamed. I simply believe that there are far more issues than just abortion and (especially) gay marriage that God is concerned about. Like all of you, I'm sure, I prayed for direction in who to vote for and this is the way I felt led to go. You can take it or leave it. I don't care.
All I'm sick of is the garbage about how terrible he is! He hasn't even sat down in the oval office, yet! You're judging the guy on TWO ISSUES! If those are the only two issues important to you (despite a far larger picture), fine! Gripe and moan.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:25:00 AM
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Obama may not be powerful enough to ruin our nation (according to one poster and I disagree), but he IS an antichrist. My view as a believer has changed in that I believe we are witnessing a further movement into the end times.
That's quite the assumption you make there. An ignorant one at that. How can you call another believer an antichrist? And why would you without any facts?
I don't really have much hesitation that Obama could be the anti-Christ, but what dianetavegia said was *an* anti-Christ. It's true... look at the world rejoice at his election? Look at the world seeing Obama as a person they can trust... the world is happy. And, where did Obama come from? Unless you were from the state he was a senetor of, chances are you had never heard of him. Obviously this isn't the case always, but where did Obama come from? All of a sudden, he has risen to great power... and from being a nobody, essentailly, in the public eye.
His geneological decent... is shady at best. If you don't consider that Obama could be the anti-Christ, or at the very least *an* anti-Christ... you are the one who is ignorant. Sorry. I guarantee you that someone who supports the moral things he supports, like abortion, is not in-tune w/ the things of God--God is not the author of confusion. He doesn't tell the vast majority of Christians, that abortion is clearly wrong, and some that abortion is okay. If you didn't know--it is wrong and Obama supports it. The facts are the facts. I look at his moral stance, how quickly this man has risen to power, his geneological ties... and how the world is rejoicing at his coming to power. Time will tell... and so will God what it all means.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:29:28 AM
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Obama may not be powerful enough to ruin our nation (according to one poster and I disagree), but he IS an antichrist. My view as a believer has changed in that I believe we are witnessing a further movement into the end times.
That's quite the assumption you make there. An ignorant one at that. How can you call another believer an antichrist? And why would you without any facts?
I don't really have much hesitation that Obama could be the anti-Christ, but what dianetavegia said was *an* anti-Christ. It's true... look at the world rejoice at his election? Look at the world seeing Obama as a person they can trust... the world is happy. And, where did Obama come from? Unless you were from the state he was a senetor of, chances are you had never heard of him. Obviously this isn't the case always, but where did Obama come from? All of a sudden, he has risen to great power... and from being a nobody, essentailly, in the public eye.
His geneological decent... is shady at best. If you don't consider that Obama could be the anti-Christ, or at the very least *an* anti-Christ... you are the one who is ignorant. Sorry. The facts are the facts. I look at his moral stance, and how the world is rejoicing at his coming to power. Time will tell... and so will God what it all means.
Last time I checked it was up to God to judge our hearts. Whatever happened to confessing with your mouth? He's a confessed christian.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:32:32 AM
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TorchHeart
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It's true... look at the world rejoice at his election?
Are you kidding? You've never seen people celebrate their candidate getting elected?
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:32:35 AM
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Obama may not be powerful enough to ruin our nation (according to one poster and I disagree), but he IS an antichrist. My view as a believer has changed in that I believe we are witnessing a further movement into the end times.
That's quite the assumption you make there. An ignorant one at that. How can you call another believer an antichrist? And why would you without any facts?
I don't really have much hesitation that Obama could be the anti-Christ, but what dianetavegia said was *an* anti-Christ. It's true... look at the world rejoice at his election? Look at the world seeing Obama as a person they can trust... the world is happy. And, where did Obama come from? Unless you were from the state he was a senetor of, chances are you had never heard of him. Obviously this isn't the case always, but where did Obama come from? All of a sudden, he has risen to great power... and from being a nobody, essentailly, in the public eye.
His geneological decent... is shady at best. If you don't consider that Obama could be the anti-Christ, or at the very least *an* anti-Christ... you are the one who is ignorant. Sorry. The facts are the facts. I look at his moral stance, and how the world is rejoicing at his coming to power. Time will tell... and so will God what it all means.
Last time I checked it was up to God to judge our hearts. Whatever happened to confessing with your mouth? He's a confessed christian.
I'm judging his actions. he supports abortion. Whether you want to face the facts or not is up to you, but this one stance says a *lot* about a personal moral backbone. I don't really care if a person *says* they are a Christian. If they want to lead rightly, they are going to have to *be a Christian*. Giving lip-service to God and following God with actions are two different thigns.
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RE: Did you vote yesterday? My view as a believer has c... - 11/6/2008 9:35:55 AM
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TorchHeart
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I'm judging his actions. he supports abortion. Whether you want to face the facts or not is up to you, but this one stance says a *lot* about a personal moral backbone. I don't really care if a person *says* they are a Christian. If they want to lead rightly, they are going to have to *be a Christian*. Giving lip-service to God and following God with actions are two different thigns.
http://www.ibelieve.com/m_3878923/mpage_1/tm.htm
Tell them. Tell these people that they aren't Christians because they're pro-choice. They're all from this forum.
OR you could read and learn that not every Christian thinks like you do.
< Message edited by TorchHeart -- 11/6/2008 9:47:10 AM >
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