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Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doctrine - 11/5/2008 3:00:30 PM
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Because the left-wing liberal radio does not fair well against conservative talk radio, Schumer wants to limit political speech. Rush Limabaugh signed a $400 million deal and Sean Hannity signed a $100 million deal. How much does a progressive radio host make? Who cares, instead of having better radio, the libs would rather shut their competition down.
Rather than going after radio, Schumer should go after the printed media such as the NY Times:
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Democratic Senator Schumer Defends Fairness Doctrine to Regulate Talk-Radio Speech
The Fairness Doctrine, a federal regulation that requires equal time for the expression of different political views on the public airwaves, was abandoned by the Reagan administration in 1987. Set by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), the regulation, supported by many leading Democrats, could be re-instated by the next president.
“The very same people who don’t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] to limit pornography on the air. I am for that,” Schumer told Fox News on Tuesday. “I think pornography should be limited. But you can’t say, ‘government hands off in one area’ to a commercial enterprise, but you’re allowed to intervene in another. That’s not consistent.”
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/5/2008 3:02:12 PM
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Oops, this should be in Current Events instead of Election 2008. How does one have it moved?
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/5/2008 3:23:27 PM
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There won't be any Christian radio either.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/5/2008 4:22:56 PM
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The FIRST AMENDMENT is there to protect a citizens right
to speak out against the government without reprisals.
It's not so we can slander each other and say just "whatever."
The FIRST AMENDMENT is for "free speech."
Free Speech isn't junk talk.
Just as in all socialist countries, the propoganda ministry
shuts out all opposition. If the liberals had anything worth hearing,
talk radio wouldn't bother them so much. They say what we think.
Once they take out the "other media" they'll come for us.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/5/2008 11:12:48 PM
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For my part, I'd LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine back in effect. All it requires is that things be presented in a fair and equitable manner. I can understand why the Rush and Hannity Hate Machines wouldn't like it, because it means the liberal view has to get equal radio time. Wow, they couldn't just fill the airwaves with hate. I'm having a hard time seeing a downside to that.
Just FYI,there was Christian radio when the Fairness Doctrine was in force, so you don't have to worry about all that disappearing...
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/5/2008 11:23:42 PM
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I'm not sure that Christian radio stations would be a target, I think it's only political programs that are the target of the "Fairness" Doctrine (I don't like that name). LOL
I know it's not funny, but it's like, "Hey you have a PlayStation and I can't have one, so I'm saying nobody can have one." The liberals can't make a go of it in talk radio, but conservatives can, so the liberals what to shut them down. I believe the "Fairness" Doctrine should be left where it is and not brought back to life.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/5/2008 11:26:46 PM
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For my part, I'd LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine back in effect. All it requires is that things be presented in a fair and equitable manner.
I'm as liberal as they come, but I've never liked the fairness doctrine. Merely requiring "fairness" may sound innocent enough, but it's too complicated to police in anyway, especially with the rise of the internet.
If the media were more consolidated I might consider it, but I don't think it's needed at this point, nor do I think it's an issue that the democrats would be able to "sell" to the public. The backlash from limiting people's favorite radio shows would end up hurting them far more than it would help them.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/5/2008 11:32:12 PM
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For my part, I'd LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine back in effect. All it requires is that things be presented in a fair and equitable manner. I can understand why the Rush and Hannity Hate Machines wouldn't like it, because it means the liberal view has to get equal radio time. Wow, they couldn't just fill the airwaves with hate. I'm having a hard time seeing a downside to that.
Just FYI,there was Christian radio when the Fairness Doctrine was in force, so you don't have to worry about all that disappearing...
Perhaps there wasn't so much of an anti-Christian movement in government when the Fairness Doctrine was previously enforced.
As for conservative talk radio being hateful, I've never seen such hatred as I have seen from the liberals over the last eight years toward George Bush and more recently, Sarah Palin. And to top it all off, poor ordinary guy just asking a question, Joe the Plumber became a victim of their hatred.
Liberals had their own radio station called Air America and no one listened. So what do they say to that? "If you won't listen to our opinions, we'll take yours off the air".
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/5/2008 11:57:59 PM
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For my part, I'd LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine back in effect. All it requires is that things be presented in a fair and equitable manner. I can understand why the Rush and Hannity Hate Machines wouldn't like it, because it means the liberal view has to get equal radio time. Wow, they couldn't just fill the airwaves with hate. I'm having a hard time seeing a downside to that.
Just FYI,there was Christian radio when the Fairness Doctrine was in force, so you don't have to worry about all that disappearing...
If you think Rush and Hannity are full of hate, I take it ypu have not been listening to any "Progressive Radio/ Air America" At least a liberal can get on Rush and Hannity's programs, as long as they behave themselves and are willing to carry on a conversation. I have tried to listen to "Progressive Radio" enough to know that a conservative can not evewn get on any liberal talk show. If they happen to manage to do so, somehow, they are torn apart and made fun of no matter how calm and polite they make their case.
The "Fairness Doctrine" is not as harmless and innocent as it is made to sound. It is not a simply a reactivation of the old idea of both sides of an issue being heard, or discussed. It is an attempt to silence discussion in any way possible, especially through the courts, through the threat of court action.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:47:01 AM
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For my part, I'd LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine back in effect. All it requires is that things be presented in a fair and equitable manner. I can understand why the Rush and Hannity Hate Machines wouldn't like it, because it means the liberal view has to get equal radio time.
It would not be fair and equitable - either if it is listener supported or a business. Its not fair and equitable for a conservative listener supported station to air the liberal side. Would you give to a radio station that broadcast both sides but was owned by a conservative network. What about music radio - Is a country station going to make money if they have to play Bach or Mozart? I know the fairness doctrine has nothing to do with music - but how would that be fair to the owners of the country station.
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Wow, they couldn't just fill the airwaves with hate. I'm having a hard time seeing a downside to that.
I am guessing that in your opinion that the conservative stations air hate. I am of the opinion that liberal stations air hate sometimes. You don't sound too fair yourself. Maybe the FCC needs to make sure you sound fair and equitable.
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Just FYI,there was Christian radio when the Fairness Doctrine was in force, so you don't have to worry about all that disappearing...
Actually it depends on what kind of Christian radio you are referring to...
Crosswalk actually had a article about the fairness doctrine. Here
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Pelosi, D-Calif., recently said she supports resurrecting the Fairness Doctrine, a 1949 Federal Communications Commission policy that required broadcasters who sent out specific messages to set aside time for opposing views.
Such a move would "really make it impossible to preach the whole counsel of God," said Rich Bott, the owner of Kansas-based Bott Radio Network, which broadcasts Christian programming across 10 states.
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"If someone were to assert that God has ordained marriage as only between a man and woman that would be a controversial statement today," he said. "Someone will ask for time."
Such requests would place a unique strain on broadcasters, said William Van Alstyne, a constitutional law expert at the William and Mary School of Law in Williamsburg, Va.
"A newspaper can print a reply or an op-ed piece, but with broadcasting it's fixed. It's 24 hours that are divisible into so many minutes, and if you're devoting them to X you can't devote them to Y,"he said. "If a broadcaster has to subsidize its opponents, and the station is listener-funded, they're going to lose a lot of money."
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In the early 1940s, the FCC decided that broadcasters should not be allowed to editorialize at all—a strange requirement considering that even decisions about what to cover on the local news are "editorial" ones. This idea, known as the "Mayflower Doctrine" (a reference to the well-known Pilgrim hatred of editors), was replaced in 1949 by the Fairness Doctrine, which said that broadcasters could editorialize, but had a responsibility to air multiple points of view on controversial subjects. The ruling was FCC policy, not a law, though supporters claimed that a 1959 amendment to the Communications Act had in fact made it law.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 8:06:56 AM
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The problem I have with the "fairness doctrine" is that it is aimed at one group. In the same manner of thinking there are certain TV stations whose audience is primarily a select group of people. Will the fairness doctrine apply to that particular TV station. Let's say that through this fairness doctrine the radio stations start losing money because their radio audience stop listening to the station. OR is that really their agenda.....forcing another company into bankruptcy because your audience does not promote a certain set of agendas.....this is scary!
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 8:33:28 AM
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Oh, I think that those who are pushing to return the Fairness Doctrine know that it will have a financial impact on those radio stations that it would target. The side benefits of the bill are 1) punishing conservatives financially and 2) diluting or downright shutting up conservative voices.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 8:33:52 AM
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Free speach?
Why is the left afraid of Rush Limbaugh?
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:11:49 AM
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For my part, I'd LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine back in effect. All it requires is that things be presented in a fair and equitable manner. I can understand why the Rush and Hannity Hate Machines wouldn't like it, because it means the liberal view has to get equal radio time. Wow, they couldn't just fill the airwaves with hate. I'm having a hard time seeing a downside to that.
Just FYI,there was Christian radio when the Fairness Doctrine was in force, so you don't have to worry about all that disappearing...
Free-market be damned! So I guess because left-wing radio cannot compete like anything else in the free-market, they have to force themselves on a public that obviously does not want to listen to their rants?
Wow, talk about communism.
Should McDonalds be forced to sell Burger King products as well?
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:15:20 AM
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I'm as liberal as they come, but I've never liked the fairness doctrine. Merely requiring "fairness" may sound innocent enough, but it's too complicated to police in anyway, especially with the rise of the internet. Well, I must admit that I never really knew it was there prior to it's "demise". And I don't really listen to talk radio anyway. Funny thing though, shortly after the Fairness Doctrine's demise, we experienced the meteoric rise of right wing talk radio and their hate machine. Since their stock in trade taking a "grain" of truth and twisting completely out of all proportion I can't say that I would be unhappy to see them go bye bye. But I don't think that would happen. I think you would see a slight decrease in those types of shows, but you would be an increase in talk shows with an opposing view. I don't see how that would be bad.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:19:09 AM
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Why is the left afraid of Rush Limbaugh? We aren't afraid of him, he spews hate and lies so we don't listen to him, except to find out what he's spewing at the time. But the Fairness Doctrine would not put him out of business! That's the funny thing, you act like he would have to go off the air, he wouldn't. I think you just don't want some air time provided to provide balance. Now how balanced is that? LOL, you all want your cake and wanna eat it to.
I have to say that if all right wing talk radio stopped tomorrow, I think the world would be a better place, but I'm certainly not in favor of forcing them off the air. As long as there are people who WANT to be informed by hate they'll have an audience, sadly.
I just don't see the problem in giving the other side a voice.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:27:04 AM
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I'm as liberal as they come, but I've never liked the fairness doctrine. Merely requiring "fairness" may sound innocent enough, but it's too complicated to police in anyway, especially with the rise of the internet. Well, I must admit that I never really knew it was there prior to it's "demise". And I don't really listen to talk radio anyway. Funny thing though, shortly after the Fairness Doctrine's demise, we experienced the meteoric rise of right wing talk radio and their hate machine. Since their stock in trade taking a "grain" of truth and twisting completely out of all proportion I can't say that I would be unhappy to see them go bye bye. But I don't think that would happen. I think you would see a slight decrease in those types of shows, but you would be an increase in talk shows with an opposing view. I don't see how that would be bad.
As opposed to left wing media and their hate machines? In case you haven't noticed that is what composes the bulk of the mainstream media. From the evening news to programs like The View and Oprah.
Are you that intolerant and closed-minded that you must not allow any view that disagrees with yours? Should Target be forced to sell Wal-Mart products inside their stores?
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:30:53 AM
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Should Target be forced to sell Wal-Mart products inside their stores? Of course not, and I don't believe that this is what the Fairness Doctrine is about. But maybe I'm wrong - I will try to find some unbiased info and read up on it a little more. If you or anyone else has some links to unbiased sites that discuss this issue I would appreciate them.
But I have to seriously say that I think the "nasty" factor in American politics increased by a very high percentage amount when right wing talk radio began to flourish. i wouldn't be surprised if that coincided with the demise of the Fairness Doctrine. I, for one, think we were much better off before all the right wing hate machines were fertilized and allowed to flourish. Sorry, I just wouldn't miss it if it weren't there. At all.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:30:58 AM
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Why is the left afraid of Rush Limbaugh? We aren't afraid of him, he spews hate and lies so we don't listen to him, except to find out what he's spewing at the time. But the Fairness Doctrine would not put him out of business! That's the funny thing, you act like he would have to go off the air, he wouldn't. I think you just don't want some air time provided to provide balance. Now how balanced is that? LOL, you all want your cake and wanna eat it to.
I seriously cannot believe I am reading this spiel from you. Do you not understand that Rush Limbaugh (and programs like his) are on the air because of companies paying for ad space? It is not a government/tax funded program like something on NPR or PBS.
You're advocating communism - government forced and controlled media which decides what is on the air and who is on the air.
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I have to say that if all right wing talk radio stopped tomorrow, I think the world would be a better place,
i.e. anyone that disagrees with me needs to be silenced! How tolerant of you. How progressive of you and open of you.
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but I'm certainly not in favor of forcing them off the air. As long as there are people who WANT to be informed by hate they'll have an audience, sadly.
You're right - Air America with Al Franken and the rest with their hate couldn't cut it... even WITH massive amounts of money from the government and liberal Hollywood types.
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I just don't see the problem in giving the other side a voice.
Why can't they do so like the rest of the free-market does? Oh, that's right... Air America tried and tried hard but the masses, the buying public, did not want to hear their dribble.
Them be the breaks.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:34:54 AM
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You're advocating communism - government forced and controlled media which decides what is on the air and who is on the air. Is that what you believe was going on prior to Reagan when the Fairness Doctrine was in place?
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:42:56 AM
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Why can't they do so like the rest of the free-market does? Oh, that's right... Air America tried and tried hard but the masses, the buying public, did not want to hear their dribble.
Them be the breaks.
Here's a clue for the pro-fairness doctrine peeps. People listen to what they enjoy. Rush is funny, doesn't take himself seriously at all and is able to make a point without causing his listeners reach for the razor blades. Liberal talk shows/ political shows are depressing. Sane people can't stomach the tirades and dire straits for more than a couple minutes. When I had Dish I would tune into the Democracy Now and LINK channel just to see what the other side was up to and every last program was the same tired, bitter, the world is ending so let's all kill ourselves now tripe.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:53:51 AM
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I'm as liberal as they come, but I've never liked the fairness doctrine. Merely requiring "fairness" may sound innocent enough, but it's too complicated to police in anyway, especially with the rise of the internet.
you are correct about it being difficult to impliment; so the far left tree huggers can just declare all conservative thought and speech as hate speech and simply ban it.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 10:46:24 AM
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Why is the left afraid of Rush Limbaugh? We aren't afraid of him, he spews hate and lies so we don't listen to him, except to find out what he's spewing at the time. But the Fairness Doctrine would not put him out of business! That's the funny thing, you act like he would have to go off the air, he wouldn't. I think you just don't want some air time provided to provide balance. Now how balanced is that? LOL, you all want your cake and wanna eat it to.
I have to say that if all right wing talk radio stopped tomorrow, I think the world would be a better place, but I'm certainly not in favor of forcing them off the air. As long as there are people who WANT to be informed by hate they'll have an audience, sadly.
I just don't see the problem in giving the other side a voice.
THE OTHER SIDE ALREADY HAS A VOICE. NOBODY WANTS TO LISTEN TO IT.
Give me a list of all thes examples of Rush Limabaugh "hating and lying".
Another liberal who can't distinguish between disagreement and "hate".
Another liberal who is blind to the bitter rage and ACTUAL hate that lives on the left.
Another liberal who doesn't realize that the dictionary definition of "lie" isn't "something that I disagree with".
Another liberal whose hyperbole and generalizations are quite annoying and ignorance on the subject is astounding.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 11:10:03 AM
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Dont think that the christian stations will be targeted? Just wait.
Just wait until the first athiest demands air time on the BOTT Radio Network after a program mentions there is a God.
Just wait until the Muslim demands air time after someone says "Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven".
Just wait until the Hindu demands air time after someone says "There is only ONE GOD".
Just wait.
Oh and the reason why Christian programing was not targeted previously was it use to be that this country was mostly Christian, when people actually attended church and wanted the pastors to speak from the bible. That is not true anymore. Now we live in an increcingly post-modern society where TRUTH is abandoned because it might "offend" someone else.
The good thing is, that TRUE Christians dont need the radio's to get their voices heard. True Christians are out ministering (or supporting those who do) on the streets and around the world.
But seeing as other "socialist" countries have routinely targeted Christian speech in public (Sweeden JAILING pastors for speaking a truth from the bible)(closing of churches in communist countries, unless they follow the party lines), I could definatly see the Fairness Doctrine being the first step.
Thankfully I dont think americans are that stupid to allow these things to happen, and if Pres-Elect Obama and his extreme liberal friends in congress DO start implementing these extreme policies, I do expect them to be out of jobs in 2-4 years (2 for most of the house, 4 for Pres Obama).
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 11:10:30 AM
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we experienced the meteoric rise of right wing talk radio and their hate machine.
Again, since no one seems able to answer this question, since when does disagreement equal hate?
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Since their stock in trade taking a "grain" of truth and twisting completely out of all proportion I can't say that I would be unhappy to see them go bye bye
So you're all for free speech, just as long as it is speech you agree with?
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but you would be an increase in talk shows with an opposing view. I don't see how that would be bad.
It would be bad because as Air America proved, liberal talk radio doesn't attract listeners.....it would be a financial disaster for stations to be forced to carry programming nobody wants.
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As long as there are people who WANT to be informed by hate they'll have an audience, sadly.
Again, an example of this would be appreciated. I love the way George Bush can be torn apart seven ways to Sunday, vulgar takes on his last name, comapring him to a chimpanzee, etc, and yet when somebody calls out Barack Obama's tax plan for what it is, then it is labeled "hate". The mind boggles...
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