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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:19:52 PM
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Thou shall not speak ill of The One. Respect the Great Leader!
If this is considered unfair then possibly the forums would be shut down.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:21:37 PM
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Staying on topic, I'm skeptical of the Fairness Doctrine. I agree that both the left and right should be given equal time in the media, but to force it with legislation... especially if its worded in a manner that allows one side to use it to squash the views of the other side (I haven't read it entirely, so I don't know if it could do this).... is dangerous in my opinion. And that comes from having worked in the "liberal media" in the past.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:26:57 PM
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How would they monitor this? That's what I find scary. Will there be a dept that makes sure everything is fair?
It's too close to communism for me.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:27:48 PM
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For either Rush or Hannity to be as full of hate as you and others feel they are, they would have to take lessons from the likes of Steffany Miller, Rockie Rhodes, and Ed Shultz (all liberals from "Progressive Radio).
You're kidding me, right??? 
I know Ed Schultz, personally. The guy is a blow-hard and has a massive ego, I'll admit. But to say he's "full of hate?" Trust me... he's got NOTHING on Rush or Hannity. Especially Hannity!
If you are saying that I have no right to express my opinion that I believe that Ed Shultz is full of hate, then what right do you have to express an opinion that Ruah Limbaugh is full of hate?
Why is that, to you, it is okay for Ed Shultz to have a massive ego, but Rush's massive ego is defined, by you, as hate?
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:28:37 PM
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I warned of the facist Chucky Schumer before. He is an enemy of the free state and the likes of him or someone like him as Attorney General should send concern to every true freedom loving American. The New York Jewish community should stand up get him out of office.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:29:26 PM
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TorchHeart
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If you are saying that I have no right to express my opinion that I believe that Ed Shultz is full of hate, then what right do you have to express an opinion that Ruah Limbaugh is full of hate?
I didn't say that you didn't have a right to express your opinion. Please don't put words in my mouth.
However, I did state that I know Ed Schultz personally, and I thus offered another opinion of him. One that might be a bit more valid than your's.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:37:40 PM
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Ironically, the Fairness Doctrine would've given McCain a half hour of airtime to answer Obama's infomercial.
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What would the FD do (if anything) to websites like this one and OnePlace.com?
(If this has already been addressed, sorry! Please just direct me to the right spot!)
Well, if they extended it to include the Internet (whether they actually could or not, I don't rightly know) I imagine it would at minimum force a rewrite of the TOS. The Forum would be unable to ban posts advocating positions contrary to established Christian doctrine, for example. The Crosswalk home page would likely have to offer space to rebuttal articles from anyone who disagreed. Things of that nature.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:41:28 PM
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If you are saying that I have no right to express my opinion that I believe that Ed Shultz is full of hate, then what right do you have to express an opinion that Ruah Limbaugh is full of hate?
I didn't say that you didn't have a right to express your opinion. Please don't put words in my mouth.
However, I did state that I know Ed Schultz personally, and I thus offered another opinion of him. One that might be a bit more valid than your's.
No offense, but this is the Internet. Since I do not really know you, nor you me, each of us could drop names and there would be no way for either of us to the truthfulness of such statements.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:51:11 PM
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No offense, but this is the Internet. Since I do not really know you, nor you me, each of us could drop names and there would be no way for either of us to the truthfulness of such statements.
Ah. Fair enough. No offense taken, then.
I can assure you that this is more than a name drop (and you, as you rightly pointed out, you can take that at will). I worked in television and radio here in Fargo, ND and that's how I came to meet Ed Schultz. I don't know if that gives me any more credibility towards my statement, but....
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 2:52:58 PM
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Ironically, the Fairness Doctrine would've given McCain a half hour of airtime to answer Obama's infomercial.
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What would the FD do (if anything) to websites like this one and OnePlace.com?
(If this has already been addressed, sorry! Please just direct me to the right spot!)
Well, if they extended it to include the Internet (whether they actually could or not, I don't rightly know) I imagine it would at minimum force a rewrite of the TOS. The Forum would be unable to ban posts advocating positions contrary to established Christian doctrine, for example. The Crosswalk home page would likely have to offer space to rebuttal articles from anyone who disagreed. Things of that nature.
-Robb
Thanks, Robb. I take it then, that the FD has no mention of the Internet in it. ?? I haven't read it for myself yet. 
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:06:07 PM
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Give me a list of all thes examples of Rush Limabaugh "hating and lying".
Here ya go...
"The phony soldiers." --on U.S. service members who support withdrawal from Iraq
"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. ... This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting." --on an ad by Michael J. Fox endorsing Claire McCaskill for Senate for supporting embryonic stem cell research
"And don't forget, Sherrod Brown is black. There's a racial component here, too. And now, the newspaper that I'm reading all this from is The New York Times, and they, of course, don't mention that." --on the 2006 Ohio Senate primary race involving then-Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), who is white
"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation...I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of the need to blow some steam off?" --on the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal
"Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too." --in 1995
"I am addicted to prescription pain medication." --in 2003
"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."
"We're not sexists, we're chauvinists -- we're male chauvinist pigs, and we're happy to be because we think that's what men were destined to be. We think that's what women want."
"She comes to me when she wants to be fed. And after I feed her -- guess what -- she's off to wherever she wants to be in the house, until the next time she gets hungry. She's smart enough to know she can't feed herself. She's actually a very smart cat. She gets loved. She gets adoration. She gets petted. She gets fed. And she doesn't have to do anything for it, which is why I say this cat's taught me more about women, than anything my whole life." --on his cat
"She sounds like a screeching ex-wife." --on Sen. Hillary Clinton
"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."
"They oughtta change Black History Month to Black Progress Month and start measuring it."
"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."
"Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." --on Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, while working as a commentator on ESPN
"The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them."
"There are more acres of forestland in America today than when Columbus discovered the continent in 1492."
"I know these people like I know every square inch of my glorious naked body." --on Democrats
I think that's plenty. That said, I'm opposed to the Fairness Doctrine. People will listen to whatever talk show they wish to.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:18:39 PM
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Wow...what biased website did you get those "out of context" quotes from?
You cant even get the first quote right. Rush said the "Phony Soldiers" comment in regards to Jesse MacBeth! MacBeth CLAIMED to be a Army Ranger who served in Iraq, when he joined the group Iraqi Vets against the War. he made a big video talking about his experiences in Iraq, and why he was against the war. The truth? MacBeth washed out of BASIC! NEVER was a Ranger. NEVER served in Iraq. Yet the Libearl Media jumped all over this guy in its attacks against President Bush and the War in Iraq. When the truth came out...Only Rush had the guts to call this coward what he really was...A PHONY SOLDIER!!!
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:19:45 PM
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Why are you so hard on Fox News? Rasmussen said they had the most fair coverage.
When did they say that?
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:21:05 PM
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Here ya go...
"The phony soldiers." --on U.S. service members who support withdrawal from Iraq
"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. ... This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting." --on an ad by Michael J. Fox endorsing Claire McCaskill for Senate for supporting embryonic stem cell research
"And don't forget, Sherrod Brown is black. There's a racial component here, too. And now, the newspaper that I'm reading all this from is The New York Times, and they, of course, don't mention that." --on the 2006 Ohio Senate primary race involving then-Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), who is white
"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation...I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of the need to blow some steam off?" --on the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal
"Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too." --in 1995
"I am addicted to prescription pain medication." --in 2003
"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."
"We're not sexists, we're chauvinists -- we're male chauvinist pigs, and we're happy to be because we think that's what men were destined to be. We think that's what women want."
"She comes to me when she wants to be fed. And after I feed her -- guess what -- she's off to wherever she wants to be in the house, until the next time she gets hungry. She's smart enough to know she can't feed herself. She's actually a very smart cat. She gets loved. She gets adoration. She gets petted. She gets fed. And she doesn't have to do anything for it, which is why I say this cat's taught me more about women, than anything my whole life." --on his cat
"She sounds like a screeching ex-wife." --on Sen. Hillary Clinton
"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."
"They oughtta change Black History Month to Black Progress Month and start measuring it."
"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."
"Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." --on Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, while working as a commentator on ESPN
"The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them."
"There are more acres of forestland in America today than when Columbus discovered the continent in 1492."
"I know these people like I know every square inch of my glorious naked body." --on Democrats
I don't think any of that is hateful. Hateful to me is saying :
1. I hate you
2. I hope you kids die
3. I hope you get cancer
Is hate against the law now? I don't think it is a good thing but it isn't criminal.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:22:22 PM
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Why are you so hard on Fox News? Rasmussen said they had the most fair coverage.
When did they say that?
Yesterday, Rasmussen was on Fox with Bill and Megyn and he told her that and of course she was very proud.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:23:54 PM
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TorchHeart,
Thank you.
It does give your comment a little more credibility.
I think one of the things I have been learning lately is a lot has to do with one's perception. Ed Shultz and Rush Limbaugh are pretty much alike, it's just that, for me, Rush is a little bit easier to take.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:25:59 PM
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That's only for the public broadcast channels though. The left can purchase licenses like the other stations do and as long as they bring in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ they can stay on the air. NPR is public radio and it's as left as they come. The taxpayers pay for it too.
Every time I hear this, I wonder if the person who says it actually listens to NPR and if so, what that person considers to be "left." Maybe with their particular combination of syndicated and original programming, my local station is better than most, but if it leans left, it's just a bit left of center.
But I suppose if you're on the far right, everything looks like "left" to you.
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"Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." --on Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, while working as a commentator on ESPN
I think Rush's comments on race (including the recent one about why Powell supported Obama), in particular, show how out of touch he's really gotten. He doesn't realize that most people outside of his bubble don't think the same way he does.
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I don't think any of that is hateful. Hateful to me is saying :
1. I hate you
2. I hope you kids die
3. I hope you get cancer
Is hate against the law now? I don't think it is a good thing but it isn't criminal.
I wouldn't say that Rush is hateful. He seems like he'd be a genuinely good-natured guy to hang around. However, he does exaggerate and he does spin and he does polarize subjects needlessly; while he might not be hateful, his words certainly have the power to inspire fear and hatred in his listeners.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:50:05 PM
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However, he does exaggerate and he does spin and he does polarize subjects needlessly; while he might not be hateful, his words certainly have the power to inspire fear and hatred in his listeners.
-Dan.
I am sorry, but I am having a bit of trouble with this thinking. It sort of makes me wonder just how much of Rush you have listened to. Yes, he has a tendency to exagerate. He also tends to highlight the way others have exagerated their positions through actual recordings of what they have said. I do not believe thathe inspires fear and hatred in his listeners. If anything he informs people of things that other people may not feel is important.
Maybe I just have a serious problem with the way one side defineas a fear and hate, when people on the other side points out inconsistancies, fear-mongering and hate of their other side.
Seems to me. people with thin skins need to carry a dictionary with them at all times to rememeber what the exact meaning of words are, instead of what they wish they were.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:53:25 PM
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"I know these people like I know every square inch of my glorious naked body." --on Democrats
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"I am addicted to prescription pain medication." --in 2003
This is not an example of hatred or repression or of racism, I don't get the quotes that you have provided.
Otherwise, the comments about the NFL "looking like the bloods and crips" was made because of all of the negative activities that the players in the NFL were and have been commiting, some of the same types of activities found inside of gangs. Murder, drug use/sales and otherwise... not an example of hate speech.
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"She sounds like a screeching ex-wife." Again not hate speech unless you have an ex wife... and believe me, mine is "screechy"
Hate speech is: a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability"
The only people degraded by or intimidated by Rush are the liberals and I guess that falls into the mental disorder group (LOL Jus' kidding) the last I checked no violence has come from a Rush Limbaugh show!
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:54:51 PM
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his words certainly have the power to inspire fear and hatred in his listeners.
Please cite one time that someone has hurt, murdered, destroyed, intimidated... any one in because "RUSH TOLD THEM TOO?"
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 3:56:53 PM
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There is nothing on their website reflecting any scientific basis for the opinion that any was better in any respect. They may be doing some research that is not out, yet due to the time it takes to do so. The comments were likely personal opinion. FYI: Rassmussen and FOX had a little business arrangement about collaborating on polling, so a built-in bias may have existed.
That's not to say that it might not be true, since all the major media have demonstrable bias:
Well I couldn't find the clip but Rasmussen did say that. Maybe it was an opinion because he did not put up numbers to support it. But it's still a big deal to have him say it. His election numbers were right on.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 4:03:26 PM
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However, he does exaggerate and he does spin and he does polarize subjects needlessly; while he might not be hateful, his words certainly have the power to inspire fear and hatred in his listeners.
-Dan.
I am sorry, but I am having a bit of trouble with this thinking. It sort of makes me wonder just how much of Rush you have listened to.
Plenty. Not much recently, admittedly, but "back in the day," plenty. Heck, I did a research paper on the guy in 9th grade because I thought he was so cool - with a poster board and everything. 
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Yes, he has a tendency to exagerate. He also tends to highlight the way others have exagerated their positions through actual recordings of what they have said. I do not believe thathe inspires fear and hatred in his listeners. If anything he informs people of things that other people may not feel is important.
It's not informative if he exaggerates things or twists them out of context.
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his words certainly have the power to inspire fear and hatred in his listeners.
Please cite one time that someone has hurt, murdered, destroyed, intimidated... any one in because "RUSH TOLD THEM TOO?"
Ah, a tactic Rush would be proud of - exaggerate what I said to the point of ridiculousness. I never claimed that he incited violence. But there's enough irrational fear going around this very board that I'm certain can be traced, in part, to Rush and/or the rest of the conservative talk radio crowd.
-Dan.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 4:24:07 PM
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That's only for the public broadcast channels though. The left can purchase licenses like the other stations do and as long as they bring in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ they can stay on the air. NPR is public radio and it's as left as they come. The taxpayers pay for it too.
Every time I hear this, I wonder if the person who says it actually listens to NPR and if so, what that person considers to be "left." Maybe with their particular combination of syndicated and original programming, my local station is better than most, but if it leans left, it's just a bit left of center.
But I suppose if you're on the far right, everything looks like "left" to you.
Dan, you used to not be so "elitist". I'm hardly far right. I'm small "l" libertarian for the record.
As far as NPR it is leftward biased. It should be neutral because the taxpayers support it. So there is liberal media on the radio. There is liberal media in the MSM in both broadcast and print media. There is liberal media online. The left's point of view is being disseminated to the public.
I do listen to several programs FYI. I do like the music. I like etown and World Cafe to be specific. I don't have a problem with leftist programming, they just have to do it like all other programming. Pay for it themselves and make it work or go out of business. I watched their television programs when I had Dish and there's a reason why they don't make money or hold an audience for long.
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The Liberal Media Media Bias? Harvard Confirms It
* NPR, a leader in bias even among the biased mainstream media outlets, produced stories that were more than seven times more positive than negative on Democrats (41 percent positive vs. 6 percent negative). Stories about Mr. Obama were 61 percent positive and none were negative (the rest were neutral). NPR does fewer stories on Republicans than Democrats, and stories on Republicans are also shorter than those on Democrats.
In other words, the mainstream media (which is the subject of most of the survey) not only gives out biased and distorted information but also gives out information of little help to the public trying to make intelligent decisions about candidates.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 4:57:23 PM
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I don't think any of that is hateful. Hateful to me is saying :
1. I hate you
2. I hope you kids die
3. I hope you get cancer
In your opinion, no, it's not hateful to you. But it could be taken that way by others...
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Wow...what biased website did you get those "out of context" quotes from?
Find a website that isn't biased!  If they're out of context, maybe then you can demonstrate the context in which they are used. ManimalX wanted examples, and I am pointing them out.
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This is not an example of hatred or repression or of racism, I don't get the quotes that you have provided.
The quotes you reference aren't hate, but any reference to Rush's naked body is quite offensive! LOL Seriously, re-read the drug one and look at his quote directly above that. Actually, I'll save you the same and just put them here:
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"Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too." --in 1995
"I am addicted to prescription pain medication." --in 2003
The point here was that Rush didn't do time for this. He got away with it. It wasn't hateful by any means, but it was hypocritical on his part.
Anyhow, as I stated earlier, I'm personally opposed to the Fairness Doctrine. I believe all voices should be heard, and will be heard as the market dictates, rather than be forced upon the market.
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