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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 5:55:43 PM
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cow451
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There is nothing on their website reflecting any scientific basis for the opinion that any was better in any respect. They may be doing some research that is not out, yet due to the time it takes to do so. The comments were likely personal opinion. FYI: Rassmussen and FOX had a little business arrangement about collaborating on polling, so a built-in bias may have existed.
That's not to say that it might not be true, since all the major media have demonstrable bias:
Well I couldn't find the clip but Rasmussen did say that. Maybe it was an opinion because he did not put up numbers to support it. But it's still a big deal to have him say it. His election numbers were right on.
Rassmussen is the only poll I take seriously because of their track record. Pew matched them in this election. FOX paid Rassmussen to give them data, a great move toward credibility.
I watched FOX coverage (didn't watch any other network, mostly stayed online). I purposely did so opnce it was clear McCain wasn't getting numbers. Brit Fume could barely contain his disgust at the 11:00 hour when they could "call" the election. It was like watching a funeral. The only joy I had that night was seeing the Fox gang and their lamentations.
The only "balance" Fox provides is to offset the big four+MSNBC.
I am totally opposed to the FD because, in the Age of Information, every viewpoint has an outlet.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 6:22:22 PM
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Your last line is well stated, cow. That is the whole argument right there: every viewpoint has an outlet. Liberal talk radio formats overwhelmingly fail, and the liberal print media is losing subscribers faster than Joe Biden makes up new stories. Conservatism excels because more people want to hear it. That is free market and how competition is supposed to work.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:24:38 PM
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In your opinion, no, it's not hateful to you. But it could be taken that way by others...
Once again this is a perfect example of why the FD is bad for everyone. Who's opinion is more important and who's feelings are more important?
Hate is not illegal.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:29:50 PM
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Rassmussen is the only poll I take seriously because of their track record. Pew matched them in this election. FOX paid Rassmussen to give them data, a great move toward credibility
So if you respect Rasmussen why don't you respect what he said? He goes on all the networks.
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Brit Fume could barely contain his disgust at the 11:00 hour when they could "call" the election. It was like watching a funeral.
Brit Hume is such a stand up guy I don't know where you get this from. I watched Fox's coverage and I didn't see any sadness or dismay. I think you see what you want to see. He's not exactly known for being emotional.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 9:56:23 PM
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Your last line is well stated, cow. That is the whole argument right there: every viewpoint has an outlet. Liberal talk radio formats overwhelmingly fail, and the liberal print media is losing subscribers faster than Joe Biden makes up new stories. Conservatism excels because more people want to hear it. That is free market and how competition is supposed to work.
Conservatism sells because it's easy to moralize and polarize. Conservatism also sells better because conservatives are much more unified and passionate about a core set of values than liberals are.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/6/2008 11:55:31 PM
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Your last line is well stated, cow. That is the whole argument right there: every viewpoint has an outlet. Liberal talk radio formats overwhelmingly fail, and the liberal print media is losing subscribers faster than Joe Biden makes up new stories. Conservatism excels because more people want to hear it. That is free market and how competition is supposed to work.
Conservatism sells because it's easy to moralize and polarize. Conservatism also sells better because conservatives are much more unified and passionate about a core set of values than liberals are.
-Dan.
You may or may not be correct, but I am not as interested in the "why" behind the success of sane, conservative talk radio, just that it "is" and has the opportunity to continue to be.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 1:24:02 AM
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Why is the left afraid of Rush Limbaugh? We aren't afraid of him, he spews hate and lies so we don't listen to him, except to find out what he's spewing at the time. But the Fairness Doctrine would not put him out of business! That's the funny thing, you act like he would have to go off the air, he wouldn't. I think you just don't want some air time provided to provide balance. Now how balanced is that? LOL, you all want your cake and wanna eat it to.
The opportunity if there... The 'right wing" doesn't own the dial... This isn't about balance, it's about ability to maintain listeners. Instead of having the government mandate fairness(which in large part implies one side is lacking ability) why not find someone who can actually entertain folks...
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I have to say that if all right wing talk radio stopped tomorrow, I think the world would be a better place, but I'm certainly not in favor of forcing them off the air. As long as there are people who WANT to be informed by hate they'll have an audience, sadly.
I just don't see the problem in giving the other side a voice.
The post reminds of the day President Clinton complained about Rush Limbaugh have too much power and airtime... Of course Mr. Clinton was sitting with the press entourage that followed him everywhere which allowed "airtime" whenever he wanted and it cost him nothing...
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:25:26 AM
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Rassmussen is the only poll I take seriously because of their track record. Pew matched them in this election. FOX paid Rassmussen to give them data, a great move toward credibility
So if you respect Rasmussen why don't you respect what he said? He goes on all the networks.
I respect the Rassmussen organization. His statement was an opinion, not based on any objective data. That does not mean it's not true, but show me numbers. His organization has a financial relationship with FOX and he could have his own bias, conscious or not.
Brit Fume is on his way to becoming a FOX version of Dan Rather.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:31:41 AM
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For my part, I'd LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine back in effect. All it requires is that things be presented in a fair and equitable manner. I can understand why the Rush and Hannity Hate Machines wouldn't like it, because it means the liberal view has to get equal radio time. Wow, they couldn't just fill the airwaves with hate. I'm having a hard time seeing a downside to that.
Just FYI,there was Christian radio when the Fairness Doctrine was in force, so you don't have to worry about all that disappearing...
My problem with the Fairness Doctrine is that it punishes the free market by forcing ideas on people that they would not otherwise be subject to.
I don't listen to Rush or Hannity or any of the other talking heads either con or lib but I object to the idea that someone that is paying for something is forced to air something else; in this case Rush (or whomever) is paying for the air time and being told how to spend their money ie "You will give the other side airtime on your program to defend their position".
The "other side" should be given the opportunity to buy the time for a rebuttal but that's all. If they don't have the money (and I find it hard to conceive of the notion that they cannot raise the money) then they don't get the time
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:33:10 AM
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My 2 cents:
I don't think the fairness doctrine can touch Christian radio because most Christian radio are in the non-commercial band of the radio spectrum, meaning which they have to raise all their money. They cannot take commercial money.
When the Fairness Doctrine was in effect before, there were few, if any, Commercial Christian radio stations.
Now, there are a number of them, so I'm pretty sure that they could be targets. What can Christians do? Pray. And take the opportunity to share Christ.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:35:21 AM
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In the five minutes I can stand to listen to any of them, I have heard four minutes of hate and anger towards conservatives that is suppose to pass for entertainment. I have heard little if anything that can be remotely be interpreted as being constructive or informative. Well, I don't listen to any liberal talk radio and I don't know who any of those people you mentioned are. but what I quoted is exactly how I feel after about five minutes of trying to listen to conservative radio. I'm sorry, but between them Hannity and Rush control about 6 hours of radio time every day here in St. Louis. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't be crying in my beer if the government stopped ALL that nonsense.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:39:31 AM
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The only "balance" Fox provides is to offset the big four+MSNBC.
Then you agree that there is a blatant media bias that is liberal in nature at the big four+MSNBC
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:42:44 AM
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In the five minutes I can stand to listen to any of them, I have heard four minutes of hate and anger towards conservatives that is suppose to pass for entertainment. I have heard little if anything that can be remotely be interpreted as being constructive or informative. Well, I don't listen to any liberal talk radio and I don't know who any of those people you mentioned are. but what I quoted is exactly how I feel after about five minutes of trying to listen to conservative radio. I'm sorry, but between them Hannity and Rush control about 6 hours of radio time every day here in St. Louis. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't be crying in my beer if the government stopped ALL that nonsense.
The radio in my truck picks up a multitude of stations. Some talk, some music, etc. Given that's probably the case in most situations - that nobody is forcing anyone else to listen to Rush, or Hannity, or Beck - there is absolutely no need for this so-called 'fairness doctrine'. If somebody on my radio is saying something I don't want to listen to, I change the station. Or even *gasp!* turn the silly thing off.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:44:28 AM
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Why are you so hard on Fox News? Rasmussen said they had the most fair coverage.
Having the most fair coverage does not equate to having no bias!! Fox is only slightly less biased according to Rasmussen
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:50:49 AM
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in this case Rush (or whomever) is paying for the air time and being told how to spend their money ie "You will give the other side airtime on your program to defend their position". according to what I've been told and been able to deduce, it would not be that they would have to give air time on their program but that the stations would have to allow equal air time for shows with the opposing view point. Is that incorrect, or does no one really know how it would work? This particular issue is not a big one with me, but I know it is with a lot of conservatives, I'm really just trying to understand the issue a little better.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:53:38 AM
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The only "balance" Fox provides is to offset the big four+MSNBC.
Then you agree that there is a blatant media bias that is liberal in nature at the big four+MSNBC
Right. My real beef with FOXRepublicanNews is the claim of being "Fair and Balanced".
Just as conservatives dominate Talk radio, liberals dominate TV news.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 9:57:47 AM
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Give me a list of all thes examples of Rush Limabaugh "hating and lying".
Here ya go...
"The phony soldiers." --on U.S. service members who support withdrawal from Iraq
Why is that hateful? Those folks were phony soldiers and were revealed as such.
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"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. ... This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting." --on an ad by Michael J. Fox endorsing Claire McCaskill for Senate for supporting embryonic stem cell research
I thought it was tactless and stupid on Rush's part. He should have been ashamed of himself.
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"And don't forget, Sherrod Brown is black. There's a racial component here, too. And now, the newspaper that I'm reading all this from is The New York Times, and they, of course, don't mention that." --on the 2006 Ohio Senate primary race involving then-Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), who is white
Why is quoting the NYT considered hateful? Especially when the NYT is wrong on this issue!!
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"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation...I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of the need to blow some steam off?" --on the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal
Not hateful but definitely way past the point of stupid and tasteless.
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"Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too." --in 1995
"I am addicted to prescription pain medication." --in 2003
How is admitting that there is a huge problem amongst whites and suggesting jail time considered hateful?????
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"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."
Definitely a hateful, racist thing to say
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"There are more acres of forestland in America today than when Columbus discovered the continent in 1492."
This isn't hateful.....it may be misinformed but being wrong isn't the same as being hateful
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 10:00:04 AM
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I don't think radio content should be government mandated, and I'm as pretty far left in my beliefs as possible.
I really don't like hitting the "seek" button on the radio when I'm driving somewhere, 12 stations come up and Limbaugh is on 10 of them. When I want traffic or hog futures, I want my traffic and hog futures!
If "Socialist talk radio" or "The satan radio hour" (send a donation, get a souvenir miniature pitchfork) became a reality, the religious zealots would have their heads spinning and spitting saliva, threatening boycotts etc.
All viewpoints are valid and should be heard. I go the Voltaire route with Limbaugh and all them....even though I disagree totally with them, they have a right to broadcast it..but please don't be hogging ALL the frequencies!
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 10:01:52 AM
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O puhleeze, you live in a major metro area with so many choices for what you can listen to that even though there are 6 hours of Rush and Hannity a day you have many options. Very true, and I don't listen to talk radio, as I've said. But my hubby does. And 6 hours a day of TALK RADIO is taken by Rush & Hannity. I'm sorry I think that's just a bit much for the folks who DO like to listen to talk radio (I prefer music, thank you.  But I'm thinking that them hogging most of the daytime air time might be what's behind this push for the FD - just guessing here.
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RE: Dictator Charles Schumer supports the Fairness Doct... - 11/7/2008 10:07:03 AM
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In the five minutes I can stand to listen to any of them, I have heard four minutes of hate and anger towards conservatives that is suppose to pass for entertainment. I have heard little if anything that can be remotely be interpreted as being constructive or informative. Well, I don't listen to any liberal talk radio and I don't know who any of those people you mentioned are. but what I quoted is exactly how I feel after about five minutes of trying to listen to conservative radio. I'm sorry, but between them Hannity and Rush control about 6 hours of radio time every day here in St. Louis. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't be crying in my beer if the government stopped ALL that nonsense.
Do they control ALL of the radio stations???? Just change the dial
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