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Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 7:02:25 PM
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psalms18
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I actually joined this site years ago, didn't log in for a time and then came back right in the mist of the primaries. I was sooooo disappointed in such blatant racism and non-christian terms and thoughts and idealogies that were tossed around. To be fair it was not only this site but others too. There were secular sites that were more christ-like than the christian sites. So I just didn't visit them for awhile. I was sad and disappointed and heartbroken all at the same time. While each side had strong views I am sure God was not pleased with the things some have posted (again not only on this site). So now that the election is over and a new president has been declared I hope everyone reflects on some of these posts and determine where inside they came from. Two things I know for sure: God loves McCain and God loves Obama. He was not suprised by who won. He didn't have to watch the news to find out. God is like that, He just knows. He is not suspicious of anything. Therefore when I am mindful of my God, My Saviour, My Lord, I pray this nation will come together in a spirit of Christ, reach across the aisle, and heal a troubled land. I would also pray for this site that I really like (I remember it almost from the beginning, I had another user name then) I pray for a new peace and unity. I hope you all agree.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 7:15:22 PM
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I actually joined this site years ago, didn't log in for a time and then came back right in the mist of the primaries. I was sooooo disappointed in such blatant racism and non-christian terms and thoughts and idealogies that were tossed around. To be fair it was not only this site but others too. There were secular sites that were more christ-like than the christian sites. So I just didn't visit them for awhile. I was sad and disappointed and heartbroken all at the same time. While each side had strong views I am sure God was not pleased with the things some have posted (again not only on this site). So now that the election is over and a new president has been declared I hope everyone reflects on some of these posts and determine where inside they came from.
So you come out of a 3 year hibernation to chastise us, tell us how un-Christ-like we are, and also to tell us how dis-pleased God is with us?
Thanks, and God bless you too...
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 7:39:58 PM
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I appreciate the sentiment, but you argue an indefensible position. The terms "unity" and "peace" and "come together" and "reach across the aisle" quite honestly are fantasy. When the Prince of Peace finally comes, yes. But until then? Not in a million years!
If we, as Christians (and by extension conservatives), stand for what is right and true, there can BE no compromise without infecting truth with error. This is not a fact open to discussion. I will prove it:
"Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? " - 2nd Corinthians 6:14-16
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" - Isaiah 5:20
"This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." - 1st John 1:5
Secondarily:
"We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error. " - 1 John 4:6
It is good to desire peace, but unity is completely unrealistic when it means compromising what is right. What you label "non-Christian" is usually a Christian not compromising on truth. For example, abortion is wrong. Supporting abortion is wrong. Therefore, Barack Obama is on the wrong side of this issue. It isn't hateful, it is truthful.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 7:41:59 PM
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ManimalX
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ORIGINAL: psalms18
I actually joined this site years ago, didn't log in for a time and then came back right in the mist of the primaries. I was sooooo disappointed in such blatant racism and non-christian terms and thoughts and idealogies that were tossed around. To be fair it was not only this site but others too. There were secular sites that were more christ-like than the christian sites. So I just didn't visit them for awhile. I was sad and disappointed and heartbroken all at the same time. While each side had strong views I am sure God was not pleased with the things some have posted (again not only on this site). So now that the election is over and a new president has been declared I hope everyone reflects on some of these posts and determine where inside they came from.
So you come out of a 3 year hibernation to chastise us, tell us how un-Christ-like we are, and also to tell us how dis-pleased God is with us?
Thanks, and God bless you too...
Well said, Rock. You wrote my mind on the matter exactly.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 7:43:24 PM
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Thanks, ManimalX -- I couldn't have said it better. :)
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 8:50:50 PM
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psalms18
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I don't recall abortions stopping with Bush in office and I do recall several states that allowed civil unions. I also seem to recall Bush said he was a christian. Regan also said he was christian. Billy Graham was "the nations pastor" but I do recall him using racial slurs against blacks and anti semetic statements. Don't suppose those are playing in his museum.
Unfortunately you are all right, why bother? Peace and unity is fruitless, let the blood flow. In the words of the deep south christians "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!".
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 8:51:36 PM
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Just re-read the op.
Which side of the aisle is trying to use the bible for their own political purpose now?
I guess its true...power absolutely corrupts.
We will not compromise our biblical beliefs for the sake of agreeing with your candidate.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 9:01:45 PM
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Geez, you came back just to say that? Accusing everyone of being racist and basically horrible nasty people huh. What's the deal, are you deliberately trying to upset people here?
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 9:15:55 PM
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I have to agree, psalms. Sometimes the mud really flies here. It's sad, but it happens. It's easy to do that on sites like this b/c folks just give one comment at a time, without the facial expressions or voice tone to indicate what they are feeling. I think it's because we are writing the comment and then moving on, not seeing what happens when someone reads it. But remember, people will do what they want, you can't change it and condemning folks won't help. If this area bothers you, then it's best to stay away. I know I've stayed away from a while and only came back for today. Folks have opinions and sometimes they are a bit strong and folks get a bit carried away. Don't let it get to you, just leave it in God's hands.
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ORIGINAL: psalms18
I actually joined this site years ago, didn't log in for a time and then came back right in the mist of the primaries. I was sooooo disappointed in such blatant racism and non-christian terms and thoughts and idealogies that were tossed around. To be fair it was not only this site but others too. There were secular sites that were more christ-like than the christian sites. So I just didn't visit them for awhile. I was sad and disappointed and heartbroken all at the same time. While each side had strong views I am sure God was not pleased with the things some have posted (again not only on this site). So now that the election is over and a new president has been declared I hope everyone reflects on some of these posts and determine where inside they came from. Two things I know for sure: God loves McCain and God loves Obama. He was not suprised by who won. He didn't have to watch the news to find out. God is like that, He just knows. He is not suspicious of anything. Therefore when I am mindful of my God, My Saviour, My Lord, I pray this nation will come together in a spirit of Christ, reach across the aisle, and heal a troubled land. I would also pray for this site that I really like (I remember it almost from the beginning, I had another user name then) I pray for a new peace and unity. I hope you all agree.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 9:21:09 PM
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I think you need to take a breath. do you see how easy it is to just fall apart and start yelling and screaming over the net over comments someone else made? This is what happens on these boards. If you want things to change, then start with you first. This folder is pretty tough and one has to walk around with a thick skin in order to survive it, which is why I like to stay away. Yes, I know you feel you were pushed into a corner, but sometimes when you're here in this folder you have to put your arms to your sides and not push back.
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I don't recall abortions stopping with Bush in office and I do recall several states that allowed civil unions. I also seem to recall Bush said he was a christian. Regan also said he was christian. Billy Graham was "the nations pastor" but I do recall him using racial slurs against blacks and anti semetic statements. Don't suppose those are playing in his museum.
Unfortunately you are all right, why bother? Peace and unity is fruitless, let the blood flow. In the words of the deep south christians "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!".
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 9:35:29 PM
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Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers.
It is good to desire peace, but unity is completely unrealistic when it means compromising what is right. What you label "non-Christian" is usually a Christian not compromising on truth. For example, abortion is wrong. Supporting abortion is wrong. Therefore, Barack Obama is on the wrong side of this issue. It isn't hateful, it is truthful.
And just because McCain is on the right side of this issue does not make him a believer either. He lied and distorted the truth the way Obama did and Bush and Biden and Palin and well, all of them. Do not be yoked to any of them is the real truth here. None of these politicians are true believers. You know them by their fruits.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 9:41:36 PM
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psalms18,
One of the things I conntinuously am reminded of is that if you are going to be involved in a forum. is that you need to be patient and thick skinned. In Christian forums such as CW, I believe this is especially true because you often find your Christianity contiupusly called into question especially if your understanding of the Biblle and Christianity does not fall in line with the more vocal Christians in the forum.
I do not think many Christians believe that the search for peace and unity is fruitless. Peace and unity is not acchieveable purely the efforts of man, especially if they are not grounded in some sort of relationship to God.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 9:52:39 PM
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If there was a problem that was a TOS then you should have reported it to the mods. The mods do a superb job of keeping people in line fairly. Just sayin'
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 9:59:24 PM
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ManimalX
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I don't recall abortions stopping with Bush in office and I do recall several states that allowed civil unions. I also seem to recall Bush said he was a christian. Regan also said he was christian. Billy Graham was "the nations pastor" but I do recall him using racial slurs against blacks and anti semetic statements. Don't suppose those are playing in his museum.
Unfortunately you are all right, why bother? Peace and unity is fruitless, let the blood flow. In the words of the deep south christians "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!".
But what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? When Bush and Reagan and Billy were wrong, they were wrong. WHen they were right they were right. When they were wrong, we pointed it out. When they were right, we pointed it out. I don't understand how you translate a "why bother" from this....
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 10:12:33 PM
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I don't recall abortions stopping with Bush in office and I do recall several states that allowed civil unions. I also seem to recall Bush said he was a christian. Regan also said he was christian. Billy Graham was "the nations pastor" but I do recall him using racial slurs against blacks and anti semetic statements. Don't suppose those are playing in his museum.
Unfortunately you are all right, why bother? Peace and unity is fruitless, let the blood flow. In the words of the deep south christians "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!".
DANG!! WHEW!! You are on a vent !!
Why throw in Billy Graham? LOL!!! What did he do?
No the abortions did not stop with Bush but he did not advocate them neither. Sometimes there are things we cannot control but we do not have to agree with the action. I HOPE!!! tax payers money will not pay for future abortions but I am not confident that will happen. If this does become an issue I have a right to say I disagree, I do not want MY money "redistributed" to fund such actions. As a U.S. citizen I have that right.
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In the words of the deep south christians "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!".
I have lived in the deep south all of my life. I have never heard such a comment. Yes, we have disagreed about the way we feel regarding our candidate of choice but I do not believe anyone has made such a racial motivated statement.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 11:11:48 PM
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I've spent a lot of time over the past few weeks (too much time, really), posting on another forum. There was so much mud slinging (to put it mildly) between those who said they were Christians and those who were bashing Christians it was unreal. The saddest part though, is that except on a rare post, the bashing, name calling, etc., was the same on BOTH sides. A horrible Christian witness.
The Lord has taught me a lot through this political stuff that's been going on that relates to more than just politics. If we were only able to factually disagree with another person's opinions and thoughts, without attacking the PERSON---if we could only state our own beliefs and why we believe instead of coming down on the other PERSON, I think we would be much more effective is getting out points across, and possibly changing the other person's mind. It's so hard to act instead of react when another poster is going off, but with prayer it can be done. When you respond to someone else's rants with calm responses, a lot times the situation is diffused and they begin to really listen.
My pastor said something recently--meekness is strength under control. We can be bold in our beliefs, not back down, and still have a calm and meek spirit.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/5/2008 11:43:42 PM
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I actually joined this site years ago, didn't log in for a time and then came back right in the mist of the primaries. I was sooooo disappointed in such blatant racism and non-christian terms and thoughts and idealogies that were tossed around. To be fair it was not only this site but others too. There were secular sites that were more christ-like than the christian sites. So I just didn't visit them for awhile. I was sad and disappointed and heartbroken all at the same time. While each side had strong views I am sure God was not pleased with the things some have posted (again not only on this site). So now that the election is over and a new president has been declared I hope everyone reflects on some of these posts and determine where inside they came from. Two things I know for sure: God loves McCain and God loves Obama. He was not suprised by who won. He didn't have to watch the news to find out. God is like that, He just knows. He is not suspicious of anything. Therefore when I am mindful of my God, My Saviour, My Lord, I pray this nation will come together in a spirit of Christ, reach across the aisle, and heal a troubled land. I would also pray for this site that I really like (I remember it almost from the beginning, I had another user name then) I pray for a new peace and unity. I hope you all agree.
There can be no unity under a Muslim's rule.....
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/6/2008 12:54:17 AM
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Dancrg: thanks for posting.
I don't think there is anyone who has EVER stepped into the White House that was perfect and did not have someone somewhere coming against them. It comes with the territory. Same with christians, I don't know ONE not ONE who is all perfect and all wise and all...whatever. So my comment was geared to say I hope we can now turn the page and stop the mud slinging and "try" for unity and peace. Obviously that was a bad idea.
So I repent of such a thought and again I'll agree with the old SOUTHERN CHRISTIANS: Kill 'em all and let God sort it out.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/6/2008 12:56:49 AM
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Sharia law in UK. Outlawing anti-Islam speech from the U.N. A United States President influenced by a lifetime full of anti-Jew anti-white pro-muslim clowns.
I already have an AK-47, but I wonder when I'll need to hop on ebay and order my very own checkered head wrap.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/6/2008 3:26:22 AM
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I haven't posted here in several years either--long enough that they've lost my original post count-but I left for very different reasons.
I'm so....sad for you...it seems like what you're saying is that only now that Obama and more democrats have been elected, can you feel like posting...if that is the case...you have my sympathy....if not agreement.
I, like many here it seems, am disappointed that the same guy who evaded his relationship with Ayers and outright lied about his relationship with Wright is now to be sitting in the Oval Office....lol--but I don't dislike him as much as "slick willy" who some suspect of being a rapist, and who filled all the space around him with pornography. I'll wait until we see some of his actions as our representative...and I'm trying to keep in mind that he'll need our prayers more than I know.
I doubt I'll be posting much though--real life is too occupying--and as the Mom of four, I've not much time to be dedicated to online pursuits--lol--I've done way too much of that already!
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/6/2008 3:44:02 AM
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You all sticking up for mccain/palin, who you have embraced him as this paragon of morals, well it seems there is some news which you can all decide if its true or not.. but still.
that flap about Palin's $150,000 wardrobe.. Apparently the news is that she spent way more than that.. including clothes for her traveling family (which also some people are debating whether that was ethical or not,, but it added more expenses)..
if it is true that Palin spent more than she admitted, then that makes her a LIAR.
You can all choose to debate me and say she is innocent, however, if she lied, then she is not the paragon of virtue that you all are embracing her as.
check the facts out for yourself,, some of you are gonna get mad at me now because I picked on your sacred cow.
I've noticed that the mccainers here get highly defensed when anyone speaks a word against your sacred cow mccain and palin.
You all got mad at me for putting in that joke topic which got removed when I said I voted mccain - not. Most of you got mad at me, because it disappointed you that i said NOT about voting mccain.. however, I am quite sure you would have loved it if I put in a topic called "I voted for Obama - not".
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/6/2008 7:53:55 AM
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You all sticking up for mccain/palin, who you have embraced him as this paragon of morals, well it seems there is some news which you can all decide if its true or not.. but still.
that flap about Palin's $150,000 wardrobe.. Apparently the news is that she spent way more than that.. including clothes for her traveling family (which also some people are debating whether that was ethical or not,, but it added more expenses)..
if it is true that Palin spent more than she admitted, then that makes her a LIAR.
You can all choose to debate me and say she is innocent, however, if she lied, then she is not the paragon of virtue that you all are embracing her as.
check the facts out for yourself,, some of you are gonna get mad at me now because I picked on your sacred cow.
I've noticed that the mccainers here get highly defensed when anyone speaks a word against your sacred cow mccain and palin.
You all got mad at me for putting in that joke topic which got removed when I said I voted mccain - not. Most of you got mad at me, because it disappointed you that i said NOT about voting mccain.. however, I am quite sure you would have loved it if I put in a topic called "I voted for Obama - not".
For starters Palin is not a sacred cow to me. Not a one of them has a perfect record. I do not have a perfect record neither. Billy Graham does not neither. The wardrobe issues is a non-issue because it does not affect me how much money she spends on her clothes. I have not read the articles about the issue neither. NOW, if Palin made a remark such as I am going to increase taxes on people making about $300,000 and more then changed it several times down to under $150,000 that would have an affect on me. Then I am going to take your money and give it to another group of people because things are just not fair for them. That would have a direct affect on me. One set of comments were promises made to a group of people just for their votes. Obama originally made his comments on his own. Palin if she lied, she lied in the ongoing questioning about something that did not directly affect the voters. She was not making promises to them to obtain their votes. She was not telling them I will tax one group of people so another group of people can go to Neiman Marcus to purchase their clothes. Because it is not fair for some people to afford Neiman Marcus and not others.
For me I did not agree with some Obama's programs, ways to tax people. Just because he was elected does not mean I have to keep my opinions to myself and not disagree. I have disagreed with every president who has taken office. I do not believe any president should get a free pass and everybody just lets him do whatever he wants to do I disagreed with Obama on issue not on race. I have every right to watch him and the democrats who are in control of the house and the senate regarding these issues. They will probably get passed just because "they can". I still have the right to speak out against an important issue.....don't I? Or did I lose that right in this election too.
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You all got mad at me for putting in that joke topic which got removed when I said I voted mccain - not. Most of you got mad at me, because it disappointed you that i said NOT about voting mccain.. however, I am quite sure you would have loved it if I put in a topic called "I voted for Obama - not".
I looked at that post as someone trying to specifically stir the pot. I did not see that post as a joke but as a means get people upset. YES!!! I would have looked at the same way if it stated Obama--not. In this situation I would not have responded to it neither. I really did not see the value of the topic.
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RE: Finally a new day is dawning and I can post again. - 11/6/2008 8:09:38 AM
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I am sure Obama is a nice fellow.
Most politicians are personable. McCain is a very generous fellow. From what I hear Obama is not. I really don't know much more than that other than the church Obama attended has very poor doctrine.
Obama's beliefs and agendas are not consistant with christian principles. I don't know if that makes him unsaved.
I have been here for a few years and I don't recall too many overtly racist statements and none directed at Obama but I am afraid in this "new era" disagreement with Obama will be called racism.
No question. No doubt. I am afraid to admit in public I voted for McCain for fear of being called a racist. Believe me, many people believe that.
If there is racism...it ain't from me. I could care less about the color of Obama's skin. I care about what he believes in....and defeating it.
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to being what sounds like a Rebublican hater...which is fine as long as you know that it doesn't sound very neutral...