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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 10:31:05 AM
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coolfamily6
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As Christians, we must never forget that God controls who's in power and who's not. God raised Obama up for HIS plan and HIS purpose for this time.
Even in a democracy? I always assumed that a democracy (representative or otherwise) was just a collective exercise of free will (assuming a minimum of shenanigans), which (free will) I assumed God tended to abstain from affecting.
While I do not think God necessarily (sp) raised Obama up for His plan, I do believe God will use him to either bring HIS people to their knees or to bring us to the next place in God's bigger plan.
"if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 11:32:13 AM
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Can I just get this off my chest? He is bi-racial not black. It really irritates me that the media and the campaign pushed the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT thing when in actuality he is mixed. If his skin was white (like his mom) would he still be in office. Possibly because he a good speaker and told the country what it wanted to hear. But I am not 100% sure.
Great point coolfamily6! In this world you are black if you are 0.1% black and 99.9% white. I don't understand it either but that's the way it is.
"Black" is an ethnicity, among other things. Ethnicities aren't all that beholden to racial purity tests (how do you administer one of those anyways? How black are Obama's kids?)
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 11:43:13 AM
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Can I just get this off my chest? He is bi-racial not black. It really irritates me that the media and the campaign pushed the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT thing when in actuality he is mixed. If his skin was white (like his mom) would he still be in office. Possibly because he a good speaker and told the country what it wanted to hear. But I am not 100% sure.
Great point coolfamily6! In this world you are black if you are 0.1% black and 99.9% white. I don't understand it either but that's the way it is.
"Black" is an ethnicity, among other things. Ethnicities aren't all that beholden to racial purity tests (how do you administer one of those anyways? How black are Obama's kids?)
I don't know about his kids. How white am I? I have an Italian father and my mom is 1/2 French and 1/2 Philippine. I am AMERICAN not Italian/French/Philippine American. That is what my grandfather's wanted when they came to America.
It is not really an ethnicity but about SKIN TONE. I knew a guy that was bi-racial that looked white and he was ostricized by the black community. He led a really rough life because he was "white" in a "black" community.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 11:49:06 AM
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"Black" is an ethnicity, among other things. Ethnicities aren't all that beholden to racial purity tests (how do you administer one of those anyways? How black are Obama's kids?)
I don't know about his kids. How white am I? I have an Italian father and my mom is 1/2 French and 1/2 Philippine. I am AMERICAN not Italian/French/Philippine American. That is what my grandfather's wanted when they came to America.
It is not really an ethnicity but about SKIN TONE. I knew a guy that was bi-racial that looked white and he was ostricized by the black community. He led a really rough life because he was "white" in a "black" community.
No, it's an ethnicity. My question was rhetorical. It's archaic and childish to measure races by some weird blood purity test. How do you determine whether someone is a "pure" of one race or another? Obama is black because that's what he says he is, and that's what most folks understand him as.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 11:55:10 AM
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"Black" is an ethnicity, among other things. Ethnicities aren't all that beholden to racial purity tests (how do you administer one of those anyways? How black are Obama's kids?)
I don't know about his kids. How white am I? I have an Italian father and my mom is 1/2 French and 1/2 Philippine. I am AMERICAN not Italian/French/Philippine American. That is what my grandfather's wanted when they came to America.
It is not really an ethnicity but about SKIN TONE. I knew a guy that was bi-racial that looked white and he was ostricized by the black community. He led a really rough life because he was "white" in a "black" community.
No, it's an ethnicity. My question was rhetorical. It's archaic and childish to measure races by some weird blood purity test. How do you determine whether someone is a "pure" of one race or another? Obama is black because that's what he says he is, and that's what most folks understand him as.
It's not about a "pure" race, for me it's about using your "ethnicity" to get a vote. Again, if he was lighter, more "white" would he have made it to the White House? Would the communities of color have backed him so strongly?
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 12:19:28 PM
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My husband brought forth an interesting point last night. His thought is that people are fickle. After about 10 years, a party's administration starts wearing thin. It didn't bring about the utopia people wanted. There are problems (many of which a president isn't responsible for anyway), and the opposing party suddenly looks like a party of change to fix those problems. The opposing party is in office about 10 years, and once again, people get tired of the policies. New problems arise, and another change is in order.
Let's face it - government will never be perfect nor fix all problems. And people are never satisfied for long with an "okay but not perfect" government.
I didn't articulate that as well as he did last night, but I think you get the gist.
Does anyone know the longest time one party has been in the White House?
Recently the GOP had three straight White House terms from 1980-92. I agree that two or three terms is about all. Congressional changeover is more frequent because elections are every two years. Hubby has a good point.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 12:37:13 PM
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Who came after Truman? Ike.
The general, not the storm.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 12:49:20 PM
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Who came after Truman? Ike.
The general, not the storm.
Yes, the general that warned about the Military-Industrial Complex.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 12:51:21 PM
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Was Ike Dem or Repub?
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 2:30:10 PM
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Ike was a republican. FDR served 4 terms approx. 12 years.
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1. President 1789-1797 George Washington None 1732-1799
Vice President 1789-1797 John Adams 1735-1826
2. President 1797-1801 John Adams Federalist 1735-1826
Vice President 1797-1801 Thomas Jefferson Democratic-Republican 1743-1826
3. President 1801-1809 Thomas Jefferson Democratic-Republican 1743-1826
Vice President 1801-1805 Aaron Burr 1756-1836
Vice President 1805-1809 George Clinton 1739-1812
4. President 1809-1817 James Madison Democratic-Republican 1751-1836
Vice President 1809-1812 George Clinton 1739-1812
Vice President 1813-1814 Elbridge Gerry 1744-1814
5. President 1817-1825 James Monroe Democratic-Republican 1758-1831
Vice President 1817-1825 Daniel D. Tompkins 1774-1825
6. President 1825-1829 John Quincy Adams Democratic-Republican 1767-1848
Vice President 1825-1829 John C. Calhoun 1782-1850
7. President 1829-1837 Andrew Jackson Democrat 1767-1845
Vice President 1829-1832 John C. Calhoun 1782-1850
Vice President 1833-1837 Martin Van Buren 1782-1862
8. President 1837-1841 Martin Van Buren Democrat 1782-1862
Vice President 1837-1841 Richard M. Johnson 1780-1850
9. President 1841 William Henry Harrison Whig 1773-1841
Vice President 1841 John Tyler 1790-1862
10. President 1841-1845 John Tyler Whig 1790-1862
(no vice president)
11. President 1845-1849 James Knox Polk Democrat 1795-1849
Vice President 1845-1849 George M. Dallas 1792-1864
12. President 1849-1850 Zachary Taylor Whig 1784-1850
Vice President 1849-1850 Millard Fillmore 1800-1874
13. President 1850-1853 Millard Fillmore Whig 1800-1874
(no vice president)
14. President 1853-1857 Franklin Pierce Democrat 1804-1869
Vice President 1853 William R. King 1786-1853
15. President 1857-1861 James Buchanan Democrat 1791-1868
Vice President 1857-1861 John C. Breckinridge 1821-1875
16. President 1861-1865 Abraham Lincoln Republican 1809-1865
Vice President 1861-1865 Hannibal Hamlin 1809-1891
Vice President 1865 Andrew Johnson Democrat (nominated vice pres. by Republicans) 1808-1875
17. President 1865-1869 Andrew Johnson Democrat 1808-1875
(no vice president)
18. President 1869-1877 Ulysses Simpson Grant Republican 1822-1885
Vice President 1869-1873 Schuyler Colfax 1823-1885
Vice President 1873-1875 Henry Wilson 1812-1875
19. President 1877-1881 Rutherford Birchard Hayes Republican 1822-1893
Vice President 1877-1881 William A. Wheeler 1819-1887
20. President 1881 James Abram Garfield Republican 1831-1881
Vice President 1881 Chester A. Arthur 1829?-1886
21. President 1881-1885 Chester Alan Arthur Republican 1829?-1886
(no vice president)
22. President 1885-1889 Grover Cleveland Democrat 1837-1908
Vice President 1885 Thomas A. Hendricks 1819-1885
23. President 1889-1893 Benjamin Harrison Republican 1833-1901
Vice President 1889-1893 Levi P. Morton 1824-1920
24. President 1893-1897 Grover Cleveland Democrat 1837-1908
Vice President 1893-1897 Adlai E. Stevenson 1835-1914
25. President 1897-1901 William McKinley Republican 1843-1901
Vice President 1897-1899 Garret A. Hobart 1844-1899
Vice President 1901 Theodore Roosevelt 1858-1919
26. President 1901-1909 Theodore Roosevelt Republican 1858-1919
Vice President 1905-1909 Charles W. Fairbanks 1852-1918
27. President 1909-1913 William Howard Taft Republican 1857-1930
Vice President 1909-1912 James S. Sherman 1855-1912
28. President 1913-1921 Woodrow Wilson Democrat 1856-1924
Vice President 1913-1921 Thomas R. Marshall 1854-1925
29. President 1921-1923 Warren Gamaliel Harding Republican 1865-1923
Vice President 1921-1923 Calvin Coolidge 1872-1933
30. President 1923-1929 Calvin Coolidge Republican 1872-1933
Vice President 1925-1929 Charles G. Dawes 1865-1951
31. President 1929-1933 Herbert Clark Hoover Republican 1874-1964
Vice President 1929-1933 Charles Curtis 1860-1936
32. President 1933-1945 Franklin Delano Roosevelt Democrat 1882-1945
Vice President 1933-1941 John N. Garner 1868-1967
Vice President 1941-1945 Henry A. Wallace 1888-1965
Vice President 1945 Harry S. Truman 1884-1972
33. President 1945-1953 Harry S. Truman Democrat 1884-1972
Vice President 1949-1953 Alben W. Barkley 1877-1956
34. President 1953-1961 Dwight David Eisenhower Republican 1890-1969
Vice President 1953-1961 Richard M. Nixon 1913-1994
35. President 1961-1963 John Fitzgerald Kennedy Democrat 1917-1963
Vice President 1961-1963 Lyndon B. Johnson 1908-1973
36. President 1963-1969 Lyndon Baines Johnson Democrat 1908-1973
Vice President 1965-1969 Hubert H. Humphrey 1911-1978
37. President 1969-1974 Richard Milhous Nixon Republican 1913-1994
Vice President 1969-1973 Spiro T. Agnew 1918-1996
Vice President 1973-1974 Gerald R. Ford 1913-2006
38. President 1974-1977 Gerald Rudolph Ford Republican 1913-2006
Vice President 1974-1977 Nelson A. Rockefeller 1908-1979
39. President 1977-1981 James Earl Carter Democrat 1924-
Vice President 1977-1981 Walter F. Mondale 1928-
40. President 1981-1989 Ronald Reagan Republican 1911-2004
Vice President 1981-1989 George H. W. Bush 1924-
41. President 1989-1993 George H. W. Bush Republican 1924-
Vice President 1989-1993 Dan Quayle 1947-
42. President 1993-2001 William Jefferson Clinton Democrat 1946-
Vice President 1993-2001 Albert Gore, Jr. 1948-
43. President 2001- George W. Bush Republican 1946-
Vice President 2001- Dick Cheney 1941-
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 3:27:04 PM
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Oh, I know that, Cow. But what I'm talking about is the parties, not the people.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 3:45:49 PM
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I think this is true. Christians on the right are often painted as nuts. I can't tell you how many videos and clips that I saw of Christians on the right that seemed daft, clueless, or just plain nuts. Of course, the christians who had substantive reasons for why they weren't voting for Obama were rarely shown. While I voted for Obama and I supported him, I felt that the way that republican Christians were painted was pretty biased.
My opinion of the Christian right isn't colored by the mainstream media; it's colored by knowing them and living with them and talking to them and being one of them. I think there are plenty of nuts on the Christian right - no, not as many as the media would have people think, but there are enough. And those who aren't nuts are, IMO, WAY too tolerant and accepting of those who are.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 8:54:31 PM
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He is bi-racial not black. It really irritates me that the media and the campaign pushed the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT thing when in actuality he is mixed. Very true. All things being equal, he would still have gotten my vote even had he looked more white like his momma. Then again, he often refers to himself as black, so.... although the Daily Show did a great interview with him and he was laughing and talking about how his black half would be fighting his white half in the voting box, LOL. It was very funny and shows the level of sense of humor he has about his ethnicity. He appeals to everyone, regardless.
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I think there are plenty of nuts on the Christian right - no, not as many as the media would have people think, but there are enough. And those who aren't nuts are, IMO, WAY too tolerant and accepting of those who are. YES YES YES!! It's so good to "hear" this! Thank you, Dan!
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 9:18:52 PM
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Black has come to mean African-American, and most AA's aren't 100% of black blood. Most I know (including myself) are mixed with all kinds of things. :)
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 11:24:52 PM
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My opinion of the Christian right isn't colored by the mainstream media; it's colored by knowing them and living with them and talking to them and being one of them. I think there are plenty of nuts on the Christian right - no, not as many as the media would have people think, but there are enough. And those who aren't nuts are, IMO, WAY too tolerant and accepting of those who are.
It is to painted by the mainstream media... And if one really speaks the truth about God's word to folks who don't believe, and even to some who claim to believe especially things like creation, flood and other "hard to believe" concepts you will be thought of as a nut...
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 11:27:48 PM
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As Christians, we must never forget that God controls who's in power and who's not. God raised Obama up for HIS plan and HIS purpose for this time.
Even in a democracy? I always assumed that a democracy (representative or otherwise) was just a collective exercise of free will (assuming a minimum of shenanigans), which (free will) I assumed God tended to abstain from affecting.
God doesn't take days off, or leave creation to its own devices...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 11:51:34 PM
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The best I can tell you is CHARISMA, CHARISMA, CHARISMA and a media that loved him to death.
If McCain, Franken, or Jackson had gone to a church where the preacher said that the goverment created AIDS to kill blacks as well as the other things he said, then very few whites or blacks would vote for McCain. The major media did not look into Jeremiah Wright. It took other media outlets to bring it to national attention. However, a week after Sarah Palin was announced as vp candidate, the media had tapes of her praying in church.
If McCain, Franken, or Jackson had listed someone like Frank Davis as a friend who he spent hours in the company of, then very few would vote for him. Frank Davis was a known stalinist under surveliiance by the FBI for 19 years.
If McCain, Franken, or Jackson had endorsed someone like Bill Ayers and announced a campain in the person's home then he would not make it with any group. Ayers was a known terrorist.
If McCain, Franken, or Jackson had several advisors who were CEO's of Fannie Mae it would be all over the news and would have ruined his campaign. Fannie Mae bought up subprime mortgages from banks. They were the largest company to do so. Subprime mortgages are the reason we are in this financial mess. BTW, both George Bush and John McCain pushed for regualation on Fannie Mae but was blocked by dems. Bush's tax cuts caused the ecomony to grow at faster rate than it had in twenty years.
If McCain, Franken, or Jackson said they had the ability to look at murderous dictator in the eye and make him stop his plan of world domination they would not be taken seriously by anyone.
If McCain, Franken, or Jackson promised ton's of change without a record to show any kind of change produced during any former job then he would be considered crazy. Obama has not brought about any kind of change and yet he asked us to blindly believe that he could bring it about.... and about 55 percent of our population blindly believed him.
McCain, Franken, Jackson all have something Obama doesn't have: huge amounts of likeability.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/7/2008 12:09:15 PM
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As Christians, we must never forget that God controls who's in power and who's not. God raised Obama up for HIS plan and HIS purpose for this time.
Even in a democracy? I always assumed that a democracy (representative or otherwise) was just a collective exercise of free will (assuming a minimum of shenanigans), which (free will) I assumed God tended to abstain from affecting.
God doesn't take days off, or leave creation to its own devices...
So, no free will then?
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RE: Why Obama - 11/8/2008 2:14:55 AM
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As Christians, we must never forget that God controls who's in power and who's not. God raised Obama up for HIS plan and HIS purpose for this time.
Even in a democracy? I always assumed that a democracy (representative or otherwise) was just a collective exercise of free will (assuming a minimum of shenanigans), which (free will) I assumed God tended to abstain from affecting.
God doesn't take days off, or leave creation to its own devices...
So, no free will then?
Man has all the free will he wants... Of course the collective free will of all of mankind from the dawn of time amounts to nothing stacked against the will of God... He does according to His will and none can stay His hand...
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RE: Why Obama - 11/8/2008 2:46:03 AM
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Why Obama? Timing.
I can look at his campaign and see stuff that worked. I can look at McCain's campaign and see stuff that didn't work. But, ultimately, it was timing.
After 8 years of Bush the Republican party had barely a chance of winning. Any candidate that might have a chance in 2012 dropped out early. McCain was the only one left to fight on. McCain was the Republican party's sacrificial lamb. I think he did far far better than anyone expected. A democrat was going to win...thus the long, drawn out battle between Hilary and Obama.
After 8 years of Bush, the war in Iraq and the failing economy, Americans are desparate for change. The desire for change finally outweighed the propensity for staying safe with the same.
And, ultimately, God's timing. As Christians, we must never forget that God controls who's in power and who's not. God raised Obama up for HIS plan and HIS purpose for this time.
Amen! :-)
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RE: Why Obama - 11/8/2008 10:33:11 AM
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Could it it be we become a nation of fools?
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