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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/8/2008 5:48:39 PM
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FairviewBaptist
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every Christmas I add to my Christmas collection I buy Christmas musicl
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/8/2008 9:44:57 PM
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Fascinating! I think I know some of the groups on your non-collect list. 
How does one go about finding old Gospel radio programs? I've never seen one on eBay or Amazon.
LOL at non-collect list! I have collected recordings by groups that I just don't like . . . they sit on my shelf and never make it to the turntable. There are a few groups that I won't even allow on my shelves! I'm afraid they might rub off on the good groups! 
Old radio programs are tough to find. I've been collecting gospel music recordings since I was ten years old (that's 42 years ago), so time has been on my side. As I stated in my original post, I've been blessed by knowing lots of people with whom I have shared and traded radio programs.
In the years before Ebay, there were a few dealers who sold gospel radio programs on cassette, but of course they didn't have permission or the rights to do so. This is where the long arm of the law stopped the exchange of these historical recordings. Luckily, I got many of them before they got that letter from the lawyer.
In my collecting, I have bought collections from the estate of deceased artists. Among those collections I've found transcription discs, cassette copies, and reel to reel tapes of radio programs. Some artists have also shared things from their private collections. Once in a while, I'll find an origianal transcription disc on Ebay but they are few and far between.
So you see, there is no set manner to find radio shows. All I have done is keep my eyes and ears opened and every now and again I got lucky.
I believe that the Blackwood Brothers and the Rangers Quartet are about the only groups that have released old radio programs to the general public since the days of CD recordings.
Thanks for that information!
I'll just keep making friends, and I guess there's no telling where that might lead. 
(But most of my opportunities to make friends are with people currently on the road, and most of them don't date back to the days of radio programs!)
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/9/2008 7:51:57 PM
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Wow, I have a couple of questions for you mega-collectors.
1. Where do you keep all these albums? I could not imagine trying to find a place to store thousands of albums/cds/videos.
2. As someone who is not a collector, are these collections merely for the sake of collecting, or do you all actually listen to your collection alot? ( I know a couple of comic collectors who never read them, and I rib them mercilessly about the silliness of it.)
3. What kind of money are we talking with some of these big collections?
Just a few questions from someone who has about 20 cds and 20 to 25 cassettes. I usually won't buy a CD unless I really like a group alot. I have most all the Kingsmen stuff from around 1993, and BFA stuff from So close to home forward, with a sprinkling of Gold City, Phil Cross and Cathedrals.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/9/2008 8:05:41 PM
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CzarofSGMR
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I keep my albums in my finished basement. I have shelves for the albums and the singles. They are filed and I can find almost anything within about five minutes.
I store the cassettes in "chicken boxes" in my office. I also have all of my gospel CDs and DVDs in my office.
There are quite a few LPs that I have only for collecting sake. I only play the good stuff. I'll probably never play all the Goodmans, Inspirations, Rambos among others that I have only because they are part of my collection. But I do actively play music in my collection.
I would hate to guess as to the $$$ involved.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/9/2008 8:10:46 PM
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JoeyWest
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the music i dont listen to is in a storage unit with rest of my stuff
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/9/2008 8:25:28 PM
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I have around 4,000 LPs (99.9% are SGM) and about 7-800 extras (those I sometimes sell on ebay). I have a bunch of 45's, 78's, cassettes, 8-tracks, videos & DVDs - the database for those is on my laptop upstairs and I'm too tired to go check the actual numbers). I also have a complete set of the Singing News and other SGM trade papers. What else...songbooks, pictures and concert posters.
I do listen to my music...I keep the A-list records (classic quartets) upstairs for easy access. Like the Czar, the rest is shelved downstairs in the basement.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/9/2008 9:29:41 PM
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Wow, I have a couple of questions for you mega-collectors.
1. Where do you keep all these albums? I could not imagine trying to find a place to store thousands of albums/cds/videos.
2. As someone who is not a collector, are these collections merely for the sake of collecting, or do you all actually listen to your collection alot? ( I know a couple of comic collectors who never read them, and I rib them mercilessly about the silliness of it.)
3. What kind of money are we talking with some of these big collections?
Just a few questions from someone who has about 20 cds and 20 to 25 cassettes. I usually won't buy a CD unless I really like a group alot. I have most all the Kingsmen stuff from around 1993, and BFA stuff from So close to home forward, with a sprinkling of Gold City, Phil Cross and Cathedrals.
1. I'm nowhere near the mega-collector that either John or Dean are. My LP collection is probably 1/10th of Dean's. At best. But, to answer your question, I store most of them on a tall shelf on one of my bookshelves, and more on a shelf in my closet. CDs are on a narrower shelf and some of the best are on a CD rack.
2. I listen to the albums by my a-list groups often. I'll probably play an old Cathedrals album 3-5 times per week, and my Happy Goodmans and Kingsmen albums fairly often. I probably listen to one or two per month each from the Blackwood Brothers, LeFevres, and Weatherfords. But there are three or four groups where I purchased a lot of 20-30 at a great price, then found that I didn't care for the group that much despite their reputation, and I don't listen to those as often.
3. I have no idea what kind of money it would be had I purchased each one individually or new. But I've been fortunate enough to find many of my LPs for $1-$3 apiece. I've probably paid less than $1000, certainly less than $1500 for my LPs, and that's over the period of four years now. (CD costs would bring the total higher.)
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/9/2008 11:27:57 PM
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The Christian cds are displayed in a ertainment center all my secular cds my dvds and vhs videos in closets.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 8:22:16 AM
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Let me start by saying my collection is not even close to matching that of John or Deans. Most of my collection is a direct result of purchasing music over the years from all the concerts I've attended. Avid collection of adding older music to my collection has only started within the last (5) years.
My total song count currently in iTunes is 18,274. There are still many recordings I have to get digitized and added. Once I have digitzed all my cassettes I plan to get rid of them first. My albums/CDs I will hold onto for a while longer.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 9:23:32 AM
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Let me start by saying my collection is not even close to matching that of John or Deans. Most of my collection is a direct result of purchasing music over the years from all the concerts I've attended. Avid collection of adding older music to my collection has only started within the last (5) years.
My total song count currently in iTunes is 18,274. There are still many recordings I have to get digitized and added. Once I have digitzed all my cassettes I plan to get rid of them first. My albums/CDs I will hold onto for a while longer.
technical question...aren't we supposed to retain the originals as per copyright laws when we transfer to another source?
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 11:15:10 AM
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JoeyWest
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are you selling copies of the albums?
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 1:10:04 PM
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Around 500 CD's, between 150-200 lps.
Maybe 20 videos.
I sold most of my tapes.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 2:18:37 PM
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Let me start by saying my collection is not even close to matching that of John or Deans. Most of my collection is a direct result of purchasing music over the years from all the concerts I've attended. Avid collection of adding older music to my collection has only started within the last (5) years.
My total song count currently in iTunes is 18,274. There are still many recordings I have to get digitized and added. Once I have digitzed all my cassettes I plan to get rid of them first. My albums/CDs I will hold onto for a while longer.
technical question...aren't we supposed to retain the originals as per copyright laws when we transfer to another source?
I certainly do with mine both the group CDs and the sound tracks that I use for my music ministry. I'd feel like I was stealing music if I didn't.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 5:11:36 PM
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BillBaileyBFAFan
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Let me start by saying my collection is not even close to matching that of John or Deans. Most of my collection is a direct result of purchasing music over the years from all the concerts I've attended. Avid collection of adding older music to my collection has only started within the last (5) years.
My total song count currently in iTunes is 18,274. There are still many recordings I have to get digitized and added. Once I have digitzed all my cassettes I plan to get rid of them first. My albums/CDs I will hold onto for a while longer.
technical question...aren't we supposed to retain the originals as per copyright laws when we transfer to another source?
I certainly do with mine both the group CDs and the sound tracks that I use for my music ministry. I'd feel like I was stealing music if I didn't.
I have a fly in the ointment on this point. What if I take my cassettes, and make CD's or .mp3s out of them, and then a cassette breaks? In my car, I still have a cassette player, and this does happen, especially to older ones. Should I go out and buy a new "original"? If I don't I technically wouldn't have the source anymore.
Weren't things so much simpler back when you could have your buddy make you a tape of his favorite songs, and no one try to crucify you for it??? I couldn't count the number of recorded on tapes that I had as a kid and teenager. No one I knew had ever HEARD of copyright law...oh how nice it was.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 5:39:25 PM
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Let me start by saying my collection is not even close to matching that of John or Deans. Most of my collection is a direct result of purchasing music over the years from all the concerts I've attended. Avid collection of adding older music to my collection has only started within the last (5) years.
My total song count currently in iTunes is 18,274. There are still many recordings I have to get digitized and added. Once I have digitzed all my cassettes I plan to get rid of them first. My albums/CDs I will hold onto for a while longer.
technical question...aren't we supposed to retain the originals as per copyright laws when we transfer to another source?
To be honest, I have no idea. My intent is not to skirt the law, just get rid of something I don't have the need to store any longer. Nearly all the cassette recordings in question are out of print and no longer available for purchase. Maybe someone familiar with the law can enlighten me on this topic.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 6:13:35 PM
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Let me start by saying my collection is not even close to matching that of John or Deans. Most of my collection is a direct result of purchasing music over the years from all the concerts I've attended. Avid collection of adding older music to my collection has only started within the last (5) years.
My total song count currently in iTunes is 18,274. There are still many recordings I have to get digitized and added. Once I have digitzed all my cassettes I plan to get rid of them first. My albums/CDs I will hold onto for a while longer.
technical question...aren't we supposed to retain the originals as per copyright laws when we transfer to another source?
To be honest, I have no idea. My intent is not to skirt the law, just get rid of something I don't have the need to store any longer. Nearly all the cassette recordings in question are out of print and no longer available for purchase. Maybe someone familiar with the law can enlighten me on this topic.
I too have often wondered about out of print stuff. I know that copyrights are not eternal, and do eventually run out. Like my Scofield Reference Bible. It says in the front that it is a reproduction of the copyrighted edition, which is now public domain. Once something becomes public domain, is it free to distribute as you like?
I think its 70 yrs now, but I am not sure.
I have alot of old Kingsmen videos from the 90's. They are no longer being produced by the record label or Kingsmen. As long as I am not claiming the content as mine, which would be obvious, and am not prohibiting the group's earning potential, since they don't sell it, am I really violating copyright law? I don't know personallyl what falls into the fair usage clause.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 8:50:14 PM
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I guess if you buy an album download and store on your computer who's gonna know if you REALLY bought it or copied it from a friend's cd? Only the Lord will know in most instances.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 8:53:58 PM
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I guess if you buy an album download and store on your computer who's gonna know if you REALLY bought it or copied it from a friend's cd? Only the Lord will know in most instances.
...which is why record companies instituted DRM (Digital Rights Management). Now they're experimenting with selling non-DRM tracks and trusting the honors system.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 9:13:29 PM
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It seems to me as though all these copyright issues really started with the internet. I guess record companies used to be concerned only about people making and selling bootleg tapes, not so much me and my buddy making each other tapes of our favorite songs. Now with the internet and peer to peer sights, and torrent downloading, companies feel it in the wallet more.
I really admire preachers and teachers who don't copyright thier material, such as Kent Hovind and the Late Dr. Jack Hyles, and others. They all say to feel free to copy and distribute the material, since getting the word out is more important than the few dollars they'd lose.
Can you imagine a SG artist say that? That they'd be more concerned about people hearing the message than making every dollar possible.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 10:00:46 PM
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danielmount
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It seems to me as though all these copyright issues really started with the internet. I guess record companies used to be concerned only about people making and selling bootleg tapes, not so much me and my buddy making each other tapes of our favorite songs. Now with the internet and peer to peer sights, and torrent downloading, companies feel it in the wallet more.
I really admire preachers and teachers who don't copyright thier material, such as Kent Hovind and the Late Dr. Jack Hyles, and others. They all say to feel free to copy and distribute the material, since getting the word out is more important than the few dollars they'd lose.
Can you imagine a SG artist say that? That they'd be more concerned about people hearing the message than making every dollar possible.
There is a difference: All a preacher has to do is hook a microphone up to a tape / CD / digital audio recorder, convert the file to mp3, and click the upload button on his preferred site. SG artists' projects take thousands of dollars to produce.
And yet, every now and then a SG group will give away free downloads of an individual song or complete album to anyone who wants it. The Old Paths, in particular, did that with my website once.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/10/2008 11:44:23 PM
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I have always heard that a copyright is for 28 years and renewable for another 28 years. Does anyone have any knowledge on this.
That was true....in 1976.
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RE: How large is your music collection? - 11/11/2008 8:23:12 AM
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More than you probably need to know about copyright.
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