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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 11:28:49 AM
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ManimalX
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We only have to look at one of his many past behaviors to see what to expect of him in the future.
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He has a LOT of work to do to earn the trust of a LOT of Americans, and the second he starts reverting to his unbiblical tendencies of the past, I will be the first to drop the hammer on him.
Reading your comments in this context -
http://forums.christianity.com/So_the_media_is_taking_a_2_day_Hawaii_vacation%25%25%25/m_3924896/mpage_1/tm.htm#3928609
(since his Grandmother died the day BEFORE the election) I would say you both have some broken windows in your glass houses.
I'm inclined to believe that God spoke thru almost 65 Million Americans that America has been on the wrong path and needs to correct it's course.
Ummm.... huh? What does granny have to do with the price of rice in China? Obama has demonstrated a disregard for the Christian faith he professes. He will be hard pressed to start walking on the right path after a lifetime of godless influence. So, again: He has a LOT of work to do to earn the trust of a LOT of Americans, and the second he starts reverting to his unbiblical tendencies of the past, I will be the first to drop the hammer on him.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 11:37:33 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN, i do have to say , your bouncing around to different topics through the practice of exegesis is a little disturbing , not to mention difficult to understand and follow, even confusing. But I am trying to understand you.
Hi - im doing them from memory. i'll have some for you shortly today!
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 11:42:10 AM
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Well HEY....
I guess I could have stayed home and I guess I should have kept that money I donated to a cause that was against the will of God... guess I need to repent.
I guess i'll send my voter registration card back since I don't need it now that God chooses for me.
J
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 11:43:03 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN, i do have to say , your bouncing around to different topics through the practice of exegesis is a little disturbing , not to mention difficult to understand and follow, even confusing. But I am trying to understand you.
God love her, IMA tends to post off the cuff, from the heart, and out of sheer emotion. If she could ever temper and focus her zeal through the lens of reason and restraint, she would be a force to be reckoned with. IMA reminds me of my wife: all emotion all the time! I obviously married my wife, so I can't help but be fond of IMA too, even if I disagree with her 90% of the time!
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:00:41 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN, i do have to say , your bouncing around to different topics through the practice of exegesis is a little disturbing , not to mention difficult to understand and follow, even confusing. But I am trying to understand you.
God love her, IMA tends to post off the cuff, from the heart, and out of sheer emotion. If she could ever temper and focus her zeal through the lens of reason and restraint, she would be a force to be reckoned with. IMA reminds me of my wife: all emotion all the time! I obviously married my wife, so I can't help but be fond of IMA too, even if I disagree with her 90% of the time!
MANIMAL - thank you.. yes you understand me quite well. :) and well you all help temper me with a few things around here.. some of the issues - one in particular. thats why God is good, He could love even a soul like me with all my imperfections.. :)
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:13:33 PM
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Can we apply it to parents who molest their children?
Define "ok of God"?
This is important.
ok means "God decreed, God ordained, God declares, God chose,"
i.e. he is actively making his will come to pass, not just sitting by and allowing stuff to happen as if he is impotent.
God is omnipotent, omniscient.
Jesus said ALL POWER IS GIVEN ME UNDER HEAVEN AND EATH.
and also the bible says that jesus was given a name which is above every name, that at the name of jesus EVERY knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus christ is Lord.
obama is not lord.!!
Acts 2:34-35 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."
Hebrews 10:11-13
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. 13 Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool,
Jesus finished His work and sat down. However His enemies are still not subjected. They will be one day. Until then there is warfare. It take's two sides for there to be warfare. God is not fighting with Himself. We know that He wins in the end.
I believe God is sovereign but I also believe that evil acts of it's own accord. God is just always a step ahead.
I Corinthians 2:6-8
6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
and I might add that they still don't understand it and they prefer the ungodly to rule over them. They prefer ungodly liscense to ignore the Creator and to glorify themselves.
Satan always play's into Gods plan because Satan still thinks that he is a match for God. God is so far above Satan and man that there is no comparison but that does not mean that God is saying OK to evil it just means that God is always way ahead of evil. Evil fights against God and cannot prevail because God turns the effects to work for Himself and for righteousness. So that what Satan intends for harm, while indeed harming in this world, God uses for instruction in obedience.
There is an evil one who hates God and fights against Him. There are evil men who hate God and righteousness. They make evil decisions and do great harm but God...
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:14:39 PM
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OK, I will buy into that God chose Obama to rule over us;
That just shows that God really loves us
(Rev 3:19) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Because having Obama is sure going to be a spanking for the country as a whole, we had better repent so we don't get 8 years of whuppins.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:15:08 PM
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Yes to your 2nd question. same verse as above. God has declared that you will do whatever is in your nature.. if you serve sin, you will commit sin. if you serve God you will not commit adultery. if you are in chirst your new nature wont allow you to commit adultery. your nature will not want to commit adultery.
Here was my 2nd question that you replied to above.
"God ordained the institution of marriage. If I decide to marry another woman does that mean that God chose that woman for me to be my spouse? That God ordained that marriage and partner selection? "
______end of those questions---------
You cannot say that God ordained me to sin, tempted me to sin or selected the woman I chose to sin with.
I also do not believe that being saved equals never sinning again. It means that I am saved from the penalty of sin not that I am 'sin free". God does still allow me to sin. He however did not ordain, choose for or tempt me to sin. I am responsible for my own actions. Notice that Adam tried to blame God for his sin.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:20:19 PM
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I haven't read all the posts.
So, I'm responding blind here. lol.
God did not "choose" our president.
The masses chose this president.
God allowed "us" to "choose" in our politics.
Read Romans and you will see that God "gives us over"
to "ourselves." So, we can't blame God for what happens.
"IT WAS THAT WOMAN YOU GAVE ME GOD!!!"
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:21:33 PM
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"IT WAS THAT WOMAN YOU GAVE ME GOD!!!"
ROFL, we were posting at the same time. I was about to go get that verse from Adam and you had already posted it. Thanks. 
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:21:35 PM
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Yes to your 2nd question. same verse as above. God has declared that you will do whatever is in your nature.. if you serve sin, you will commit sin. if you serve God you will not commit adultery. if you are in chirst your new nature wont allow you to commit adultery. your nature will not want to commit adultery.
Here was my 2nd question that you replied to above.
"God ordained the institution of marriage. If I decide to marry another woman does that mean that God chose that woman for me to be my spouse? That God ordained that marriage and partner selection? "
______end of those questions---------
You cannot say that God ordained me to sin, tempted me to sin or selected the woman I chose to sin with.
I also do not believe that being saved equals never sinning again. It means that I am saved from the penalty of sin not that I am 'sin free". God does still allow me to sin. He however did not ordain, choose for or tempt me to sin. I am responsible for my own actions. Notice that Adam tried to blame God for his sin.
No the Bible says God cannot be tempted, neither He tempteth any man,, but man is tempted when he is DRAWN AWAY by his OWN LUSTS, then when lust hath conceived it bringeth forth death... etc.. (romans???)
its the doctine of sovereign grace!
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:24:47 PM
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That doctrine deals with salvation not the free election of a president.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:26:11 PM
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Praise God for having my Anointing and
Chosen Issues forum deleted. I wanted to
leave and focus on other things, but didn't
know how after so many questions, various
challenges, etc. kept coming up, not being a
perfect communicator. Yet, as I said then, and
you are correct, the Lord chose Obama as said
to me 31 years ago with confirmations. It is
also IMPOSSIBLE for God to lie. True, no one
will know 'all' the reasons why. However, I was
to assist by telling you, as I did, and many church
officials over the years. God had also placed a
major media person in my life then who could
pass that Word to the media, thus much support.
Perhaps Obama was chosen by God's Amazing
grace, like me, for a work 'God' is doing in the earth.
Some things may change in Obama that I don't agree
with like God changed much in me over the years.
I'm not perfect (except in Jesus), Obama is not, nor
any other human. No, not one! Also, please remember:
Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without
revealing His plan to His servants the prophets.
Amos 3:7 NIV
Blessings and Grace!
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:36:18 PM
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ah! heres a verse i dont know if you all have noticed -
1 John 3:6 "Whosoever abideth in Him SINNETH NOT. whosoever sinneth hath no seen him neither known him"
(you can read more about this in 1 John)
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ok God is still on the throne - dont worry - see this verse -
Psalms 2: "Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? the kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord.... He that sitteth in the heavans shall laugh, the Lord shall have them in derision"
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and in case you are worried - Psalm 73 -
"Truly God is good to Israel even to such as are of a clean heart. ... 3) for I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.... 16) when i thought to know this, it was too painful for me, until i went into the sanctuary of God, then understood i their end. Surely thou didst set them in slippery places, thou casted them down into destruction"
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and my fave -
Daniel 2:21
21And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
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so theres some verses for us today.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:39:18 PM
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So you don't sin correct? You don't even have any wrong motives?
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:40:22 PM
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That doctrine deals with salvation not the free election of a president.
ok then, show me please any scriptures that claim that God is not the one who chooses whom he will set up or put down in the elections. (I provided you with some verses , ie. Daniel 2:21... (see above).
Jesus said all the hairs on our head our numbered and even a sparrow does not fall without our Heavenly Father knowing.
Please show me scripture to prove your point. You might be thinking man-centered, not God-centered theology.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:43:47 PM
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So you don't sin correct? You don't even have any wrong motives?
this might be gettting off topic, but Paul says "My little children i write that ye sin not, but if ye sin ye have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" and 1 John 3:6 says - "Whosoever abideth in Him SINNETH NOT. whosoever sinneth hath no seen him neither known him"
What does that tell you? I know its hard when you believe in "free will" (man centered) rather than (God-centered) sovereign grace theology.
we could not even breathe in a breath of air if it is not for God giving us that breath.
You should check out my favorite minister Paul Washer.. i have a link in my signature below :)
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:43:52 PM
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Jesus said all the hairs on our head our numbered and even a sparrow does not fall without our Heavenly Father knowing.
Did God cause the sparrow to fall out of the nest?
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What does that tell you? I know its hard when you believe in "free will" (man centered) rather than (God-centered) sovereign grace theology.
No I told you before that I can go either way. I can debate from scripture either position. They deal with "salvation" not with God making us do or not do every thing we chose to do.
Calvanism is not about being "sin free". Nor is it about God not allowing man to make some decisions on their own. "irresistable grace" is from the Calvanist position where "if" God calls you then "you cannot resist" that calling to be saved.
Calvanism does not teach that once saved we never sin again or lack the ability to sin again.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:47:01 PM
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Jesus said all the hairs on our head our numbered and even a sparrow does not fall without our Heavenly Father knowing.
Did God cause the sparrow to fall out of the nest?
Yes, first, that verse says God is aware of it. that is for sure.
I believe Reformed theologians would say God ordained the sparrow to fall. (ordaining meaning that everything happens according to God's will. since he is in control. ) if God is not in control of everything, then who is running the show? As paul Washer says "there are no maverick molecules running around the univese.)
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:48:30 PM
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So President Bush according to you was chosen by God as well.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:52:12 PM
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God works all things out for His purpose.
Do you believe that is the same as God causes all things that happen (including sin) to happen for his purpose?
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:53:50 PM
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So you believe it was God who chose Hitler and Pol Pot.
He chose Pharaoh....
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:54:40 PM
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So President Bush according to you was chosen by God as well.
God works all things out for His purpose.
Do you believe that is the same as God causes all things that happen (including sin) to happen for his purpose?
yes sir on both!
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:57:08 PM
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So God forced Eve to eat the apple and sin?
Creation was subject to vanity by God's decree....
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Could Daniel have sinned? Or are we just puppets on a string doing only what God forced us to do?
Man acts according to his desires... We are a slave to our nature. We serve one master and it's either God or ourselves.
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RE: God has Choosen!!! - 11/7/2008 12:57:17 PM
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Please continue in the following threads:
THIS THREAD already in progress on this topic of how we as Christians should behave now that Obama's elected;
THIS THREAD for the Calvinism/Arminianism debate;
It seems like there is a current thread on whether or not Christians will sin, but I cannot find it to link to it. I'm guessing it'd be in the Christian Doctrine folder.
Closing this thread.
Thanks!
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