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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 8:51:54 PM
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Dancre
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Sorry, Rich, but I disagree. These people who support Obama TRULY think Obama is the Messiah. They worship him the way I worship Jesus. I have heard what they said about him and I've seen the news regarding him. In my city's yesterday's newspaper, there's an article in which people were out in the streets all over the US, crying, praying, dancing and chanted Obama, Obama because this guy became the president. You tell me the last time people DANCED and chanted a president's name in the streets because he was elected president. Who does that?? Who?? There were no people crying and dancing in the streets when Bush Jr and Sr were elected, nor were they dancing when Clinton was elected.
I don't say Messiah b/c I don't like him, I say Messiah b/c that's how these people see him. God gave YOU Obama b/c the people wanted a Messiah that didn't have holes in his hands and feet and wouldn't tell them what they could and couldn't do. (SEVERAL christians from all over the country receive that from God, most got this BEFORE the elections.) God said, FIne, here's your Messiah, enjoy him. I'm not lamenting over the election b/c he's my president, I'm lamenting over the fact that these people turn to Obama instead of Christ. I'm lamenting b/c God gave them what they wanted, a holeless Messiah. So yeah, I say Messiah b/c THEY say Messiah. If you don't believe that, then read the papers, watch the news.
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The sarcastic and sardonic usage of the word "Messiah" by some Conservative Christian Crosswalkers to refer to a politician whom they dislike, did not vote for, did not want to see victorious on Nov. 4th, and are now lamenting over as their next president is extremely ironic considering that it's generally such people who fight and talk loudest about defending the Christian faith and its sacret tenets from liberalism and secularism.
I thought the Bible taught there was only one Messiah; He has come, succeeded, and He shall come again - and He would not come in the form of a US president (at least, according to Scripture, and the Bible doesn't disappoint when it comes to the accuracy of its prophecies).
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 9:25:32 PM
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Dancre
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Oh, and one more thing. Who's calling Obama the Messiah? MMMM . . . Who indeed?
here's more:
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Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, another powerful Chicago-based political figure associated with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and other long-time associates of Democratic Party presidential candidate Barack Obama, is leaving no doubt about what he thinks of the leader in the campaign for the White House.
He says when Obama talks "the Messiah is absolutely speaking."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=77539
But to be serious, guys, we need to really pray. There's more, put in Obama and messiah and see what you find. It's pretty disturbing.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 10:14:35 PM
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Did you hear how Obama was laughing with advisors on the campaign trail about how convincingly he sold a fake image to the public? I'll look up the Newsweek link if I get a chance. by all means, please do so. We'll be waiting ...... ...... ....... .....
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 10:18:02 PM
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These people who support Obama TRULY think Obama is the Messiah. They worship him the way I worship Jesus. I don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
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You tell me the last time people DANCED and chanted a president's name in the streets because he was elected president. Who does that?? Who?? There were no people crying and dancing in the streets when Bush Jr and Sr were elected, nor were they dancing when Clinton was elected People who are excited do stuff that is emotional. Why is that so bad? Why do you have to make something ugly out of people just being happy and celebrating? Again, very unbecoming.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 10:29:44 PM
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Sorry if it's unbecoming, but it's the truth. It's one thing to be emotional, it's another to worship a person. That's what a lot of the Obama supporters are doing. Call it what you want, but when I see Obama supporters calling him messiah, well, that's that. You might not call him messiah, but a lot of folks are. Check out the links I offered.
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These people who support Obama TRULY think Obama is the Messiah. They worship him the way I worship Jesus. I don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
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You tell me the last time people DANCED and chanted a president's name in the streets because he was elected president. Who does that?? Who?? There were no people crying and dancing in the streets when Bush Jr and Sr were elected, nor were they dancing when Clinton was elected People who are excited do stuff that is emotional. Why is that so bad? Why do you have to make something ugly out of people just being happy and celebrating? Again, very unbecoming.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 10:37:38 PM
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don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
What irony... One can believe in agendas clearly in conflict with God's word and it's ok, but don't make reference to the someone who is treated and looked upon as a messiah figure... If really believe such action is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians, you must hold Obama in the same contempt given his actions... Or is this where he really is a "messiah" figure and can do no wrong?
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 10:47:05 PM
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I just want to add, Obama needs A LOT of prayer. There's folks out there who do see him as the next messiah and this will pull him down. Some Folks want him to be the next Jesus and all the attention might be nice for now, but soon the reality will sink in. I do fear for him.
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don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
What irony... One can believe in agendas clearly in conflict with God's word and it's ok, but don't make reference to the someone who is treated and looked upon as a messiah figure... If really believe such action is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians, you must hold Obama in the same contempt given his actions... Or is this where he really is a "messiah" figure and can do no wrong?
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 11:01:15 PM
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I just want to add, Obama needs A LOT of prayer. There's folks out there who do see him as the next messiah and this will pull him down. Some Folks want him to be the next Jesus and all the attention might be nice for now, but soon the reality will sink in. I do fear for him.
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don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
What irony... One can believe in agendas clearly in conflict with God's word and it's ok, but don't make reference to the someone who is treated and looked upon as a messiah figure... If really believe such action is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians, you must hold Obama in the same contempt given his actions... Or is this where he really is a "messiah" figure and can do no wrong?
It's evident by the comments you can easily tell, some will pray for him , some will simply sneer.
It's possible that he will get "true religion" while in office and find himself seeking divine wisdom like he never has in his life under the weight of the pressure from unexpected crisis from within the country or without. Or he may simply rely on humanistic wisdom, but pride doesn't have to be permanent, nor fatal.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 11:04:11 PM
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You tell me the last time people DANCED and chanted a president's name in the streets because he was elected president. Who does that?? Who?? There were no people crying and dancing in the streets when Bush Jr and Sr were elected, nor were they dancing when Clinton was elected
People who are excited do stuff that is emotional. Why is that so bad? Why do you have to make something ugly out of people just being happy and celebrating? Again, very unbecoming.
Don't try and whitewash it. The only thing "unbecoming" was that bizzare obama bash in Chicago. People crying while watching their hero rant:
" were gonna change America and change the world!.."
No matter how you spin it, CNN Cafferty Files and the like, it is beyond belief. People around the world cheering for their boy. Yep; progressive libs from around the world are ecstatic. Did the world "community" go into the same frenzy when Ban ki-Moon became Secretary-General of the U.N. ?
It's funny (not) but if Americans last century, not that long ago, could see this entire real life charade, they would say the world has already ended. I almost gave people some credence with their arguments against so-called "mega churches" , not that I really know why. This whole obamathon is just to ethereal. Over what? Over some guy whose entire claim to fame is Project Vote in Illinois.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 11:05:01 PM
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I just want to add, Obama needs A LOT of prayer. There's folks out there who do see him as the next messiah and this will pull him down. Some Folks want him to be the next Jesus and all the attention might be nice for now, but soon the reality will sink in. I do fear for him.
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don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
What irony... One can believe in agendas clearly in conflict with God's word and it's ok, but don't make reference to the someone who is treated and looked upon as a messiah figure... If really believe such action is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians, you must hold Obama in the same contempt given his actions... Or is this where he really is a "messiah" figure and can do no wrong?
It's evident by the comments you can easily tell, some will pray for him , some will simply sneer.
It's possible that he will get "true religion" while in office and find himself seeking divine wisdom like he never has in his life under the weight of the pressure from unexpected crisis from within the country or without. Or he may simply rely on humanistic wisdom, but pride doesn't have to be permanent, nor fatal.
Why should anyone believe he will act any different than he has?
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 11:28:43 PM
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Why should anyone believe he will act any different than he has?
Chances are that he very well may have to rethink some of his campaign rhetoric. History and the position of President of the United States tends to change one's thinking, from my readings of history. One only has to lok at the Bush administration and the effect 9-11 had Bush and his administration.
If his latests words on Iran are any indication, Obama may already be rethinking his stand, and view of Iran.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 11:35:10 PM
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These people who support Obama TRULY think Obama is the Messiah. They worship him the way I worship Jesus. I don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
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You tell me the last time people DANCED and chanted a president's name in the streets because he was elected president. Who does that?? Who?? There were no people crying and dancing in the streets when Bush Jr and Sr were elected, nor were they dancing when Clinton was elected People who are excited do stuff that is emotional. Why is that so bad? Why do you have to make something ugly out of people just being happy and celebrating? Again, very unbecoming.
Are you a born again Christian? If so how can you support a president elect who believes in a woman's right to choose(by the way that's the politically correct way to say abortion,baby killing and such)& gay and lesbian rights? Which are clearly wrong and dare I say it Sinful in the eyes of a Holy God. And clearly the press and the dnc want him to be portrayed as the Chosen One. Look at his surroundings in his acceptance speech in Denver. Greek Columns. This guy is a joke and has very dangerous ideas.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/7/2008 11:53:32 PM
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Why should anyone believe he will act any different than he has?
Chances are that he very well may have to rethink some of his campaign rhetoric. History and the position of President of the United States tends to change one's thinking, from my readings of history. One only has to lok at the Bush administration and the effect 9-11 had Bush and his administration.
If his latests words on Iran are any indication, Obama may already be rethinking his stand, and view of Iran.
Rethinking his stand doesn't mean that how he approaches matter is going to change... He's not a 13 year old girl who changes clothes 17 times before going to school...
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 12:10:39 AM
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Then again, how much does anyone really know about Obama?
How much do his supporters really know about Obama?
(There suddenly seems to be some real questions about that)
Soon after Obama was elected, there was already talk how soon his supporters in the media were going to turn on him. Maybe he will change his mind more often that we thought Clinton did.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 1:51:29 AM
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People who are excited do stuff that is emotional. Why is that so bad? Why do you have to make something ugly out of people just being happy and celebrating? Again, very unbecoming.
Throughout the entire campaign I have seen people who are watching Obama act as if they are seeing a rock star or some other very famous entertainer. I remember seeing my mother and some of her lady friends act this way when they saw Elvis at a CHristmas parade. Since when do we hold politicians in such high esteem?
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 5:18:30 AM
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It is amazing, i don't think one Obama supporter bothered to address the OP which proves what others said for the past two years, that the media gave Obama a pass and didn't ask the hard questions or it appears any questions at all since they know nothing of the man.
As far as the messiah comments. If you don't think that people are worshipping this man come take a ride with me. I have seen people with bumper stickers, window flags with Obama's picture over the American flag, magnetic door plaques and mirror tags all for Obama on one single car. Then there are the hordes of people still wearing the Obama t-shirts and still handing out Obama fliers. These people are above and beyond anything i have ever seen in an election year.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 8:39:06 AM
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Liberal ideology is emotion based. When the emotion is voer, their other nature comes forth...selfishness.
This is just classic liberalism. Build them up and then tear them down. This is why conservatives have nothing to fear from President elect Obama. His own will tear him down eventually.
They always do.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 9:39:00 AM
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These people who support Obama TRULY think Obama is the Messiah. They worship him the way I worship Jesus. I don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
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You tell me the last time people DANCED and chanted a president's name in the streets because he was elected president. Who does that?? Who?? There were no people crying and dancing in the streets when Bush Jr and Sr were elected, nor were they dancing when Clinton was elected People who are excited do stuff that is emotional. Why is that so bad? Why do you have to make something ugly out of people just being happy and celebrating? Again, very unbecoming.
Hallelujah for your comments.. You are the 3rd person - besides my own plea - of people to stop calling him that name..some people understood but some keep justifying themselves. I wish they would stop agreeing with the world.. and justifying themselves. Politics bring out the worst of people who call themselves christians.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 9:47:58 AM
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I am so disappointed in America right now. Those who think that Obama is good, really need to examine their core values. I heard James Dobson say he wish he could have voted Obama. I felt the same way, as far, as him being the first black man to be president. My husband said last night, he heard Chris Matthews say, "It was his job to make the President look good." Reallly the jerk, all he has done is belittle Bush for years. Is he the one who said he got a tingle up his leg when Obama spoke? Gross.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 9:51:11 AM
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Well, truthfully, you got what you wanted, now you have live with it. Do not worry all of Hollywood, and slimey friends, of our president elect salute you. BTW, we feel Christians would not have supported this man, so as far as opinions on Christians, please do not judge their behavior.
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These people who support Obama TRULY think Obama is the Messiah. They worship him the way I worship Jesus. I don't. And I'm a supporter. A few may feel this way but most of us don't. I wish you all would just stop with using the word "messiah" in such a derogatory fashion. It really is unbecoming of people who call themselves Christians.
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You tell me the last time people DANCED and chanted a president's name in the streets because he was elected president. Who does that?? Who?? There were no people crying and dancing in the streets when Bush Jr and Sr were elected, nor were they dancing when Clinton was elected People who are excited do stuff that is emotional. Why is that so bad? Why do you have to make something ugly out of people just being happy and celebrating? Again, very unbecoming.
Hallelujah for your comments.. You are the 3rd person - besides my own plea - of people to stop calling him that name..some people understood but some keep justifying themselves. I wish they would stop agreeing with the world.. and justifying themselves. Politics bring out the worst of people who call themselves christians.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 12:55:45 PM
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About Obama being Called the Messiah... I believe the remark is meant in irony.
Wasn't it Michelle Obama the one that said that Barak is going to "heal our souls".
Now I know that an intelligent Obama supporter isn't going to like the implication, but the fact of the matter is that you really don't have to look very far to see people acting like BO is something like a Messiah.
And I have seen people say that he is something special. While yes his communication skills are excellent, when he's hooked up to a teleprompter, on par with Reagan, his policy views are awful. And I definitely see lots of tendencies that I don't like. Like recently tossing some newspapers off the plane that didn't endorse him.
Not to mention his pro-choice, pro-homosexual marriage views.
The whole liberation theology/Marxist ideology should give any Christian pause as well.
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I'm frankly not surprised. I expect to see more of this in the next few days and weeks. The main stream media in this country are in for a loooong hangover - unfortunately, working-class Americans get to carry the barf bucket.
hilarious!!!
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 1:13:01 PM
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Yup, the press and a lot of supporters of Obama have not been shy about professing how they view Obama in a divine light. I find it pretty unsettling that so many people would view Obama as a savior or messiah of mankind. And you know, Obama used this to his advantage while he campaigned for President. Like a previous poster mentioned, the rhetoric and comments made by his wife "healing" the nation and world. I know there are other instances where Obama himself used spiritual or religious analogy in his speeches to describe what kind of change he'd be bringing and people believe him.
So forgive all us Obama skeptics that haven't been hoodwinked by what he's been peddling. It's pretty clear, as an outside observer aghast at the reactions of a lot of his supporters, we're all truly dismayed and I know I'm worried what will happen once the bubble burst.
I had a conversation with an Obama supporter once during the election where she defended the actions of other supporters that viewed Obama as a divine figure. She basically said I was being intolerant and it was anyone's right to "worship" a political figure like Obama if they wished. Hello?!? I don't know about anyone else, but when people start viewing their political leaders as divine figures, that worries me a LOT.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 1:18:59 PM
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And what about the comment that Obama himself made about having a "righteous wind" at their backs?
He made this comment several times as election day neared. I saw some film of him making the comment on election day. It may of even been part of his closing stump speech. This sounds like a reference to the "Holy Spirit" to me, and if that was the intent than that would have been blasphemous. Even the word righteous in this context is out-of-bounds.
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 1:53:39 PM
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Did you see the latest Praise & Worship Obama session? Oprah had will.i.am. leading some P&W for the church of Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp30_9jlVW0
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RE: Obama disciples already rejecting messiah - 11/8/2008 1:53:53 PM
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Sorry, Rich, but I disagree. These people who support Obama TRULY think Obama is the Messiah.
And you know this to be categorically true; you can affirm, state, and attest without any doubt and with full veracity and complete validation that ALL those who support President-Elect Barack Hussein Obama believe him to be the Messiah.
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They worship him the way I worship Jesus. I have heard what they said about him and I've seen the news regarding him. In my city's yesterday's newspaper, there's an article in which people were out in the streets all over the US, crying, praying, dancing and chanted Obama, Obama because this guy became the president. You tell me the last time people DANCED and chanted a president's name in the streets because he was elected president. Who does that?? Who?? There were no people crying and dancing in the streets when Bush Jr and Sr were elected, nor were they dancing when Clinton was elected.
Faulty reasoning.
1. If my city's newspaper says that John McCain supporters consider him to be the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln, should I believe it? 
2. Your logic says, "crowds cry/pray/dance/chant -----> worship." People chanted Bush's name in 2000 and in 2004. As for crying - it was CATHARSIS, the realization of their wish that the Bush administration finally end (and that it not be succeeded by McCain). You may never admit it, but Bush polarized our country and his actions embittered many Americans. To know that his days are finally numbered was a relief - and many of those who support Obama are people of color. Many of them are old enough to have been prohibited from sitting in certain sections of a bus. For them to see a man like Obama reach the highest office of the land was probably an acceptable reason for them to cry.
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ORIGINAL: Dancre
I don't say Messiah b/c I don't like him, I say Messiah b/c that's how these people see him. God gave YOU Obama b/c the people wanted a Messiah that didn't have holes in his hands and feet and wouldn't tell them what they could and couldn't do. (SEVERAL christians from all over the country receive that from God, most got this BEFORE the elections.) God said, FIne, here's your Messiah, enjoy him. I'm not lamenting over the election b/c he's my president, I'm lamenting over the fact that these people turn to Obama instead of Christ. I'm lamenting b/c God gave them what they wanted, a holeless Messiah. So yeah, I say Messiah b/c THEY say Messiah. If you don't believe that, then read the papers, watch the news.
I read several newspapers (online) daily, in more languages besides English, and I have to say I've yet to see any claims of Obama being called the Messiah. God gave me Obama? I would say God is in charge and He authorized Obama to become president just as He for whatever reasons "allowed" a man like Bush to become president.
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"We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda" - G.W. Bush lies to America and to the world, 5/1/2003
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