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Why don't you ask the many African Americans who voted for Obama, like I did, then, and for that matter, also ask Obama.

I have never seen so many people of all races come together in celebration in this country, and in other countries, ever, in my history.

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Ok - John - it's a simple yes, no question. So I take it, you think that politicians should not listen to consituents on the matter of abortion, correct? What other issues, then, should they not listen to their constituents on?

I said they should obey God first... Your questions doesn't remove that being true nor the consequences surrounding it.

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Thanks, Peace and God bless,

God bless?In all seriousness what does God have to do with anything? You seem to dismiss the fact that one is to serve God first and foremost. There is no responsibility on earth that comes before God.

And your vote for Obama lends support for his abortion agenda. There is no way you can parcel out your vote.

I take that as a no - that the politician should not represent their constituents on this matter - that's all I asked for.

You still did not deem which other issues a politician should ignore from constituents - please provide them.

Peace and God bless,

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I voted for Obama. I agree with him on all of his issues, with the exception of FOCA. I cannot be a single issue voter. I really do not think this bill will make it - however, I am going to write to Obama to ask that he not sign it; and all of my representatives.

There is nothing in the past or present that would lend support for Obama not to sign it... And your vote for Obama is far more powerful than some letter that will never see the light of day to people who have NO regard for the life of the unborn... You really think anyone here that can think past pouring milk on their cereal thinks you are not for abortion?

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I know many on here subscribe to this line of thought: if a politician is pro-choice, they are evil. If you vote for politician that is pro-choice, you are evil. I do not believe this line of thought at all.

Which means one could support a member of NAMBLA for office and you couldn't think ill of them...

What's really funny is you claim abortion is wrong, that you don't support it(regardless of your voting record) yet if any mentions of consequences is mentioned you balk.

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I thought, well, I bet the general public is pro-life - therefore, Obama is entirely in the wrong here. However, given the anti-abortion referendums that were voted down on this singular issue, this clearly is not the case.

The will of the people doesn't make something right...

Obama is wrong because... He claims Christ... Abortion is wrong... He chooses to do wrong in the face of right... In fact for him to even be neutral on the matter is wrong given God's word.

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Therefore I concluded that perhaps the pro-choice politicians support such stances as being pro-choice because, well, they are representing their constituents.

They do so because they are serving their own self interest first. Certainly not God's...

John,

I did not ask if the will of people made anything right. I asked, simply, if you think a politician should represent their constituents on the matter of abortion or not. If you don't think politicians should represent their constituents - then please provide other issues that you think politicians should ignore, when it comes to their constituents.

I don't think I'm being ambiguous in any way.

Peace and God bless,

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Why don't you ask the many African Americans who voted for Obama, like I did, then, and for that matter, also ask Obama.

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I have never seen so many people of all races come together in celebration in this country, and in other countries, ever, in my history.

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I voted for Obama. I agree with him on all of his issues, with the exception of FOCA. I cannot be a single issue voter. I really do not think this bill will make it - however, I am going to write to Obama to ask that he not sign it; and all of my representatives.

There is nothing in the past or present that would lend support for Obama not to sign it... And your vote for Obama is far more powerful than some letter that will never see the light of day to people who have NO regard for the life of the unborn... You really think anyone here that can think past pouring milk on their cereal thinks you are not for abortion?

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I know many on here subscribe to this line of thought: if a politician is pro-choice, they are evil. If you vote for politician that is pro-choice, you are evil. I do not believe this line of thought at all.

Which means one could support a member of NAMBLA for office and you couldn't think ill of them...

What's really funny is you claim abortion is wrong, that you don't support it(regardless of your voting record) yet if any mentions of consequences is mentioned you balk.

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I thought, well, I bet the general public is pro-life - therefore, Obama is entirely in the wrong here. However, given the anti-abortion referendums that were voted down on this singular issue, this clearly is not the case.

The will of the people doesn't make something right...

Obama is wrong because... He claims Christ... Abortion is wrong... He chooses to do wrong in the face of right... In fact for him to even be neutral on the matter is wrong given God's word.

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Therefore I concluded that perhaps the pro-choice politicians support such stances as being pro-choice because, well, they are representing their constituents.

They do so because they are serving their own self interest first. Certainly not God's...

John,

I did not ask if the will of people made anything right. I asked, simply, if you think a politician should represent their constituents on the matter of abortion or not. If you don't think politicians should represent their constituents - then please provide other issues that you think politicians should ignore, when it comes to their constituents.

I don't think I'm being ambiguous in any way.

Peace and God bless,

You are ignoring the fact that politicians are self serving by nature... And the idea that's you simply want a "yes or no" answer screams you are still seeking validation... The last thing you want is the truth...

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Why don't you ask the many African Americans who voted for Obama, like I did, then, and for that matter, also ask Obama.

Many wouldn't have a clue that it was mainly the Democrats who fought against civil rights laws...

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I have never seen so many people of all races come together in celebration in this country, and in other countries, ever, in my history.

So...

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Here's a little hint: if I truly did care what you thought of my vote, and feared verbal flogging, then I would not come out and admit that I voted for Obama. So, no, I am not seeking any sort of validation.

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I guess you just don't want to answer the question as yes or no, nor provide any other issues that you think politicians should ignore their constituents on, and that is what is truly apparent.

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) John, it was JFK and LBJ that made civil rights a priority.

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And, I'd be willing to wager quite a large sum of money (and I don't gamble at all) that African Americans DO, in fact, know the history.

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Or, are politicians suppsed to be 'moral' couselors to we the people - is that their job?

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Why don't you ask the many African Americans who voted for Obama, like I did, then, and for that matter, also ask Obama.

Many wouldn't have a clue that it was mainly the Democrats who fought against civil rights laws...

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I have never seen so many people of all races come together in celebration in this country, and in other countries, ever, in my history.

So...

1) John, it was JFK and LBJ that made civil rights a priority. And, I'd be willing to wager quite a large sum of money (and I don't gamble at all) that African Americans DO, in fact, know the history.

2) The election of Obama has brought so many people of all races together, in this country - people from all over the world even joined us in our celebration - I have never seen this before in my lifetime. I think it's quite awesome that so many were united on that one special night. I hope this unity stays - as I have never seen this before in this country.

Peace and God bless,

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Why don't you ask the many African Americans who voted for Obama, like I did, then, and for that matter, also ask Obama.

I have never seen so many people of all races come together in celebration in this country, and in other countries, ever, in my history.

That's the point; if leaders hadn't been willing to vote contrary to many of their constituents wishes, those people would not be voting at all. In short, if they had followed your proscription for voting, Obama wouldn't be President.

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Here's a little hint: if I truly did care what you thought of my vote, and feared verbal flogging, then I would not come out and admit that I voted for Obama. So, no, I am not seeking any sort of validation.

You have from the start...

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I guess you just don't want to answer the question as yes or no, nor provide any other issues that you think politicians should ignore their constituents on, and that is what is truly apparent.

You are employing what is generally considered a cheap lawyer trick with your demand for yes or no... You are trying to form and or make some point based on a simple response and not discussion... You don't want discussion because it doesn't help your case..

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) John, it was JFK and LBJ that made civil rights a priority.

It was Republican who made it a reality... Since it was Democrats who were mostly against it...

Vote count

The two numbers in each line of this list refer to the number of representatives voting in favor and against the act, respectively.

Senate: 77–19

* Democrats: 47–17
* Republicans: 30–2

House: 333–85

* Democrats: 221–61
* Republicans: 112–24

Conference Report:

Senate: 79–18

* Democrats: 49–17
* Republicans: 30–1

House: 328–74

* Democrats: 217–54
* Republicans: 111–20

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And, I'd be willing to wager quite a large sum of money (and I don't gamble at all) that African Americans DO, in fact, know the history.

Most don't since they tend to buy into the rhetoric of the black leadership... Most people don't have a clue about major events in history.

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Representatives should state their view plainly on the issues and the voters should elect the person who best represents their view. Then the representative should stand for those views and fight for them at all cost, refusing to compromise their standards and principles. If the voters change then they should elect someone else.

Senators should represent the wishes of their state government and they once did... before the 17th ammendment. The 17th ammendment should be repealed. Then we could begin to reduce the size and power of the federal government.

The 17th ammendment to the constitution of the United States:

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of each State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

What the constitution said before the 17th ammendment:

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

Power to the people !


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Or, are politicians suppsed to be 'moral' couselors to we the people - is that their job?

Can I throw gasoline on my cat and allow it to be burned alive? Is that a "moral" decision?

"Certain politicians" are elected to make "laws". Most of our laws come from some "moral" foundation.

This is from legal dictionary online;

Ethical principles held primarily by the followers of Christianity have influenced the development of U.S. secular law. As a result, Christian moral law and secular law overlap in many situations. For example, murder, theft, prostitution, and other behaviors labeled immoral are also illegal. Moral turpitude is a legal term used to describe a crime that demonstrates depravity in one's public and private life, contrary to what is accepted and customary. People convicted of this crime can be disqualified from government office, lose their license to practice law, or be deported (in the case of immigrants).

Passing laws is relatively easy when public policy makers can unanimously identify behavior that is socially unacceptable. Policy makers can then attempt to enforce socially correct behavior through legal channels. However, in many other situations, it is far more difficult to determine what behavior the government should promote, if any. When a government seeks to implement a code of conduct that may conflict with the U.S. Constitution, the courts are generally called upon to determine the law's validity.

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And?

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I disagree.

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And?

Just wanted to make sure historical facts were in place...

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I disagree.

I am sure you do, but you haven't supported your view...

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Why don't you ask the many African Americans who voted for Obama, like I did, then, and for that matter, also ask Obama.

Many wouldn't have a clue that it was mainly the Democrats who fought against civil rights laws...

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I have never seen so many people of all races come together in celebration in this country, and in other countries, ever, in my history.

So...

1) John, it was JFK and LBJ that made civil rights a priority. And, I'd be willing to wager quite a large sum of money (and I don't gamble at all) that African Americans DO, in fact, know the history.

2) The election of Obama has brought so many people of all races together, in this country - people from all over the world even joined us in our celebration - I have never seen this before in my lifetime. I think it's quite awesome that so many were united on that one special night. I hope this unity stays - as I have never seen this before in this country.

Peace and God bless,

I don't think your question truly has a yes or no answer. My view of politicians is that they should represent what is the best for their constituency whether the constituency knows it's the best for them or not. Granted, they're not always going to know, but they should be able to do the best they can to benefit the most people in area they represent.

Regarding your comment about Obama bringing so many people together on such a large scale, I couldn't agree with you more. I firmly believe that this is what we need more of. Working together is a lot more fruitful than trying to go it alone.

I went to Australia this past April. We had a horrible trying navigating their public transportation system that first afternoon which turned out to be embarrassingly simple. The whole time I kept feeling like the Aussies were looking at us and thinking that we validated their views of us as "stupid Americans." With the election of Obama, I don't have that feeling anymore when dealing with people from overseas. Weird correlation, I know.

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I wish people would be more responsible when they choose to have sex; and there is where the moral choice starts on this issue - ie, teenagers that have sex. When I was a teenager, this was not a problem at all - there was not even one girl who got pregnant in my high school - now, unfortunately, this is a lot more common. And one of the stances that Obama wants to put into practice is responsible and better sex education; which includes an emphasis on abstinence. I don't know what happened between when I was in high school and now. We had to go to sex education classes, and my parents talked to us about it.

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And, I've looked at numbers that say that there is a strong correlation between a woman's financial situation and the decision to have an abortion. I am in favor of providing any sort of financial assistance to anyone if they'd not decide to have an abortion.

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Well, of course, John, I nor you, cannot say that we know all African Americans;

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but the ones that I know, know their history quite well.

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If you feel that strongly about this, why don't you start another thread about it?

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Apparently, when George Washington was elected the first President of the United States in 1789, the entire country rejoiced. He was the only president ever to receive 100 percent of the electoral vote. It was the beginning of the American Dream.

And yet, at that time, abortion was LEGAL in all thirteen colonies.

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I don't understand why some people think responsible sex education at the appropriate age, is a bad idea, when teenagers seem to not understand what they're getting into when they make such decisions.