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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 6:27:18 PM
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think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
What about the thief on the cross? Obama is not dead yet. A lot of Christians (maybe they are not) do not believe all of Scripture. We many denominations and Catthlics that don't agree on Scripture. But in many ways they are Christ like, Peter like, Paul like, Job like, Joseph like, etc. Just being sold into slavery makes you Joseph like with hope of freedom and having an abundant, sucessfull life. Even having a political life.
How do you think he compares to Joseph?
Because I do not see any kind of similarities.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 6:50:59 PM
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think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
What about the thief on the cross? Obama is not dead yet. A lot of Christians (maybe they are not) do not believe all of Scripture. We many denominations and Catthlics that don't agree on Scripture. But in many ways they are Christ like, Peter like, Paul like, Job like, Joseph like, etc. Just being sold into slavery makes you Joseph like with hope of freedom and having an abundant, successful life. Even having a political life.
Obama was never sold into slavery. In fact, AFAIK, he's not a descendant of slaves. His father was from Kenya, and his mother is white.
Since Biblically the seed is through a man..
Then one would think a better motif would be to have a beef with Africa or the Africans.
... who ….if we dig deep enough… were just as responsible for selling their brothers to the slave trade $$$..... And the more I think of it in that light ... the more ISLAM seems to ring that bell.
I believe I read up a while back that there was an Islamic presence in the day of the Vikings in the areas of the Brittan’s.
Obama needs to get focused!! 
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 6:56:45 PM
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think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
What about the thief on the cross? Obama is not dead yet. A lot of Christians (maybe they are not) do not believe all of Scripture. We many denominations and Catholics that don't agree on Scripture. But in many ways they are Christ like, Peter like, Paul like, Job like, Joseph like, etc. Just being sold into slavery makes you Joseph like with hope of freedom and having an abundant, successful life. Even having a political life.
I'll make a deal with ya... I'll praise Obama when he compares himself to Daniel, who when confronted to worship the image ...decided to trust in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob...and passed the test
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 6:59:57 PM
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Given what has been posted anyone can be like Joesph, or anyone else for that matter...
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 7:05:28 PM
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If you'll read Scripture, in Genesis, God gives the earth to man. Later, in the Garden Of Eden, man gives the earth to Satan through his sin. Satan will rule the earth until Christ returns. Therefore, we are not "under God" yet.
Given the parameters set by God over Satan in regards to Job I have to believe God rules over Satan... Hence all are under God...
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 7:18:05 PM
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I think you are confused regarding the word Christ-like. Christ-like doesn't mean they are sort of, maybe, kinda, in a way, Christ like as long as it goes along with their denomination. It means they walk as Christ did. He believed the Word, devoured the word, consumed it, His world revolved around it. To say one doesn't believe in scripture and they are Christ like is an oxymoron. The Christ-like believe all scripture is of God, no doubt, no questions. They believe
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Gal 2:20
Now if you want to compare Joseph to Obama in that maybe some of his ancestors might have been slaves and then they were set free, then a hundred years later their descendant was elected president, well. . . that's a big stretch, since Joseph was the slave then made the second in command of Egypt BY GOD and Obama who wasn't a slave, but a Senator of Illinois and then made president . . . Sorry, try again.
Good try, though. You get at least 3 points for that one and two points for the Christ-like. Try again.
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think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
What about the thief on the cross? Obama is not dead yet. A lot of Christians (maybe they are not) do not believe all of Scripture. We many denominations and Catthlics that don't agree on Scripture. But in many ways they are Christ like, Peter like, Paul like, Job like, Joseph like, etc. Just being sold into slavery makes you Joseph like with hope of freedom and having an abundant, sucessfull life. Even having a political life.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 7:40:05 PM
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I think it would be best to let Obama set his own path instead of making biblical comparisons.
And breaking my own rule -- maybe since he supports many issues contrary to God's word that one day he could be like Paul -- who once persercuted Christians and even watched in approval as Stephen became the first Christian martyr. Paul became a great apostle -- so yes it could happen as Paul radically turned to Jesus.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 7:43:07 PM
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Obama was never sold into slavery. In fact, AFAIK, he's not a descendant of slaves. His father was from Kenya, and his mother is white.
His people (African) were sold into slavery to America. That is a simularity. An African who claims to be half white making him Black rose to the highest office in the land. During his campaign Obama often talked and was proud of his white side of his family. He talked about his grandmother who raised him. Negro's or Black's have a rich mixed heritage in America.
Type's, like's, simularites, analogies, parables don't have to be exact. Meanings and encouragement, Theology can be drawn from them.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 7:59:19 PM
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I don't understand why you can't see any similarites at all between Obama and Joseph.
In Bibical principal there are none ... in the imagination prehaps there are many
Can you identify with any people in the Bible?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 8:09:28 PM
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I don't understand why you can't see any similarites at all between Obama and Joseph.
In Bibical principal there are none ... in the imagination prehaps there are many
Can you identify with any people in the Bible?
WOW!
Obama is Joseph, Moses. Saviour, Joshua, good grief! He is every Bible character rolled up into one....amazing!!
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 8:15:04 PM
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I don't understand why you can't see any similarites at all between Obama and Joseph.
In Bibical principal there are none ... in the imagination prehaps there are many
Don't you identify with anyone in the Bible? If not why not?
Why do some of you think Obama is not aq Christian? We are saved by faith not works lest any man boast. He has attended Church for twelve years, he still attends Church, he got married in Church, and he says he is a Christian. Do you think you have the knowledge of God and can determine who says they are saved and are not?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 8:19:21 PM
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I don't understand why you can't see any similarites at all between Obama and Joseph.
In Bibical principal there are none ... in the imagination prehaps there are many
Don't you identify with anyone in the Bible? If not why not?
Why do some of you think Obama is not aq Christian? We are saved by faith not works lest any man boast. He has attended Church for twelve years, he still attends Church, he got married in Church, and he says he is a Christian. Do you think you have the knowledge of God and can determine who says they are saved and are not?
A person can play church just like a little girl can play house. The little girl in her imagination is a Mommie, she is married, and her house is under a tree....but we all know that she is really not a mommie...etc....
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 8:45:42 PM
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The King of King, Lord of Lords always reigns.
Yes, but that's not the way he meant it. He is using that phrase (under God) the same way people say "all are children of God" even though they are obviously not.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 9:13:57 PM
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I don't understand why you can't see any similarites at all between Obama and Joseph.
In Bibical principal there are none ... in the imagination prehaps there are many
Don't you identify with anyone in the Bible? If not why not?
Why do some of you think Obama is not aq Christian? We are saved by faith not works lest any man boast. He has attended Church for twelve years, he still attends Church, he got married in Church, and he says he is a Christian. Do you think you have the knowledge of God and can determine who says they are saved and are not?
Maybe because he mocked Scripture and he is for unlimited abortion, Partial Birth Abortion and against the Child Protection Act. But 'tis not for me to judge who is a Christian. Only God knows a man's heart.
Oh, you asked if we don't identify with anyone in the Bible. I identify with the man at the pool of Bethesda who was crippled for 38yrs. and kept missing the stirring up of the waters because he didn't have help getting in the water. Jesus told him to take up his pallet and walk. A long story, but I can relate.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 10:00:54 PM
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Why do you identify him as some kind of holy saint? You're still not going to confince us that's he's the next messiah. It won't happen. Yes, we are saved by faith, but I read his 'renewal' speech to congress and it basically said, throw Jesus out and accept everyone. It makes me question where he is at with God. I'm not judging him, just watching. If you want to see him as some super human biblical person, fine. but it won't work here. No points. Got to go, kitty's demanding my attention. sigh . . . Does anyone want a cat?
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I don't understand why you can't see any similarites at all between Obama and Joseph.
In Bibical principal there are none ... in the imagination prehaps there are many
Don't you identify with anyone in the Bible? If not why not?
Why do some of you think Obama is not aq Christian? We are saved by faith not works lest any man boast. He has attended Church for twelve years, he still attends Church, he got married in Church, and he says he is a Christian. Do you think you have the knowledge of God and can determine who says they are saved and are not?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 11:48:22 PM
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Oh, you asked if we don't identify with anyone in the Bible. I identify with the man at the pool of Bethesda who was crippled for 38yrs. and kept missing the stirring up of the waters because he didn't have help getting in the water. Jesus told him to take up his pallet and walk. A long story, but I can relate.
It might be a stretch when I include Obama with American descendents of slavery but I include him because he is an African-American. In this manner I see all African people as victims of slavery, even though they did sell some of us into slavery. My girl friend said the slavery is a weak point, my buddy said technically he did not descend from slavery, I already as most people know that. But even President Bush said that millions are rejoicing because we finally have a Black President and we thought we would never see one in our lifetimes. He knows the history of slavery in America and how this is important to all Americans.
Two strong points: One, he was a political leader, many Americans have been. Two, people of America are looking to him to solve the worst kind of economic problems. The weak point is the slavery issue, but if you look at it from a group of ethnic people it can't be totally dismissed.
At least the first to points you have to agree are similar. Thank God there was repentence in America and slavery has ended. And thank the people who were instrumentel in ending it.
Forgive me for being over zealous. Thank you for your responses, and it was a good Bible study.
God Bless
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/12/2008 12:02:47 AM
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Why do some of you think Obama is not aq Christian? We are saved by faith not works lest any man boast. He has attended Church for twelve years, he still attends Church, he got married in Church, and he says he is a Christian. Do you think you have the knowledge of God and can determine who says they are saved and are not?
May be it was the interview I saw where he confessed that he was serious about his moselm faith? Or maybe it was all the interaction throuigh his formaticve years up to today with moslems as his most intimate advisors/sponsors. Or maybe it's that everytime he claims to be Christian I hear him supporting all those things Christ hates like abortion and homosexuality but he never supports thsoe things that Christ loves, like Israel. He has no fruit of being a Christian in his life.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/12/2008 12:06:36 AM
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I don't understand why you can't see any similarites at all between Obama and Joseph.
The only Joseph I see obama being similar to is Stalin
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/12/2008 1:28:22 AM
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Oh, you asked if we don't identify with anyone in the Bible. I identify with the man at the pool of Bethesda who was crippled for 38yrs. and kept missing the stirring up of the waters because he didn't have help getting in the water. Jesus told him to take up his pallet and walk. A long story, but I can relate.
It might be a stretch when I include Obama with American descendents of slavery but I include him because he is an African-American. In this manner I see all African people as victims of slavery, even though they did sell some of us into slavery. My girl friend said the slavery is a weak point, my buddy said technically he did not descend from slavery, I already as most people know that. But even President Bush said that millions are rejoicing because we finally have a Black President and we thought we would never see one in our lifetimes. He knows the history of slavery in America and how this is important to all Americans.
Two strong points: One, he was a political leader, many Americans have been. Two, people of America are looking to him to solve the worst kind of economic problems. The weak point is the slavery issue, but if you look at it from a group of ethnic people it can't be totally dismissed.
At least the first to points you have to agree are similar. Thank God there was repentence in America and slavery has ended. And thank the people who were instrumentel in ending it.
Forgive me for being over zealous. Thank you for your responses, and it was a good Bible study.
God Bless
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0bama does not have "slave blood", as Rush and his "Certified to have slave blood" Engineer/Assistant/Call Screener Snerdly have made so much fun of (some liberal whack-a-mole made some big stink about blacks having slave blood or not).
Honestly I resent the fact that you would assert that all blacks are "victims of slavery". In my opinion this is the same "victim" mentality junk that has brought utter ruin to the black community; the same junk that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright have been pushing on black Americans for decades. I can't wait for the day when the black community decides to man up and reject this garbage. Everybody faces challenge. Everybody faces hate from some person or another. The United States of America is the least racist nation IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, and any lack of accomplishment experienced by ANY PERSON in the USA of 2008 can't be blamed on anyone but the person who chose not to apply themselves.
Grrrrr.... I am just so overwhelmed by the fact that we are all made in the image of our Creator, it angers me when ANYONE wallows in self-pity because of what happened to someone else hundreds of years ago.
Man up, cowboy up, buck up, grab those bootstraps, and go out there and live your life. Quit letting a petty few hateful people have rule over your life because they are ignorant.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/12/2008 1:52:57 AM
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Why do some of you think Obama is not aq Christian? We are saved by faith not works lest any man boast. He has attended Church for twelve years, he still attends Church, he got married in Church, and he says he is a Christian. Do you think you have the knowledge of God and can determine who says they are saved and are not?
May be it was the interview I saw where he confessed that he was serious about his moselm faith? Or maybe it was all the interaction throuigh his formaticve years up to today with moslems as his most intimate advisors/sponsors. Or maybe it's that everytime he claims to be Christian I hear him supporting all those things Christ hates like abortion and homosexuality but he never supports thsoe things that Christ loves, like Israel. He has no fruit of being a Christian in his life.
Is that interview on Utube? I'd like to see it. He denies being a Muslim.
Oh, I don't see Obama as a holy person Messiah.
If he is a Christian like he said he is he could himself identify with people in the Bible like many Christians. From these posts it seems like many of you are condeming a lot of people who claim to be saved to hell. You might be right according to Scripture. To them Jesus would say I never knew you. In Romans it says we were chosen in him to be conformed to the image of Christ before the foundation of the world. If he is not saved we should be praying for his salvation. It seems everyone is bashing Obama. We are to love our enemy's. Bless and not curse. Use 2nd Timothy 3:16.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV)
Perhaps someone close to Obama may read our attempt to minister to him, tell him about it, and it may just **** his heart. We are to make disciples of all nations. We do not know who God plans to save. It could be the last day of his/her life. Again, I mention the thief on the cross. Perhaps he could become saved and be a leader like Joseph and other Biblical leaders under God's direction. On the day of Pentecost after Peter preached 3,000 souls were saved.
If he is a Christian Scripture says in Romans
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:1-2 (KJV)
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Romans 8:9 (KJV)
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/12/2008 3:08:38 AM
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Honestly I resent the fact that you would assert that all blacks are "victims of slavery". In my opinion this is the same "victim" mentality **** that has brought utter ruin to the black community; the same **** that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright have been pushing on black Americans for decades. I can't wait for the day when the black community decides to man up and reject this garbage. Everybody faces challenge. Everybody faces hate from some person or another. The United States of America is the least racist nation IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, and any lack of accomplishment experienced by ANY PERSON in the USA of 2008 can't be blamed on anyone but the person who chose not to apply themselves.
I'm sorry you don't own up to American history with minorities. Yes things are much better but the damage is done. Look at our prisons, look at our schools and colleges, look at our Churches, look at the Indian reserverations with casinos.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/12/2008 3:31:15 AM
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Oh, you asked if we don't identify with anyone in the Bible. I identify with the man at the pool of Bethesda who was crippled for 38yrs. and kept missing the stirring up of the waters because he didn't have help getting in the water. Jesus told him to take up his pallet and walk. A long story, but I can relate.
It might be a stretch when I include Obama with American descendents of slavery but I include him because he is an African-American. In this manner I see all African people as victims of slavery, even though they did sell some of us into slavery. My girl friend said the slavery is a weak point, my buddy said technically he did not descend from slavery, I already as most people know that. But even President Bush said that millions are rejoicing because we finally have a Black President and we thought we would never see one in our lifetimes. He knows the history of slavery in America and how this is important to all Americans.
Two strong points: One, he was a political leader, many Americans have been. Two, people of America are looking to him to solve the worst kind of economic problems. The weak point is the slavery issue, but if you look at it from a group of ethnic people it can't be totally dismissed.
At least the first to points you have to agree are similar. Thank God there was repentence in America and slavery has ended. And thank the people who were instrumentel in ending it.
Forgive me for being over zealous. Thank you for your responses, and it was a good Bible study.
God Bless
- Winston
Wow... I am speechless...
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/12/2008 3:32:56 AM
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Honestly I resent the fact that you would assert that all blacks are "victims of slavery". In my opinion this is the same "victim" mentality **** that has brought utter ruin to the black community; the same **** that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright have been pushing on black Americans for decades. I can't wait for the day when the black community decides to man up and reject this garbage. Everybody faces challenge. Everybody faces hate from some person or another. The United States of America is the least racist nation IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, and any lack of accomplishment experienced by ANY PERSON in the USA of 2008 can't be blamed on anyone but the person who chose not to apply themselves.
I'm sorry you don't own up to American history with minorities. Yes things are much better but the damage is done. Look at our prisons, look at our schools and colleges, look at our Churches, look at the Indian reserverations with casinos.
Prison, schools, churches, and Indian reservations with casinos. Connection?
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