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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/24/2008 11:37:03 AM
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The law is good- it does it's job. It condemns sin and kills my flesh. I can resist temptation better if my flesh is dead, and my spirit is alive and joined unto Christ. No dwain, the Law does not "condemn sin". The Law convicts us that our sin condemns us. The Law certainly does not "kill our flesh". Only by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit can we crucify the sinful nature. The only way to resist temptation consistently is to remain alive in the Spirit and dead to sin, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit! Thus I have no self-generated motivation for resisting the temptation to sin. Rather, I choose not to sin because the Love of Christ has been perfected in my heart and empowers me to live victoriously over sin.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/24/2008 3:07:27 PM
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Mark, I hadn't really thought about it quite that way before, but
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Romans 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. [NIV (because it was handier)] 
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/24/2008 3:51:20 PM
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Thank you, Abiyah, those were the exact verses I was considering. We must live in Romans chapter 8 to resist the temptation to sin!
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/24/2008 7:52:08 PM
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The law is good- it does it's job. It condemns sin and kills my flesh. I can resist temptation better if my flesh is dead, and my spirit is alive and joined unto Christ. No dwain, the Law does not "condemn sin". The Law convicts us that our sin condemns us. The Law certainly does not "kill our flesh". Only by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit can we crucify the sinful nature. The only way to resist temptation consistently is to remain alive in the Spirit and dead to sin, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit! Thus I have no self-generated motivation for resisting the temptation to sin. Rather, I choose not to sin because the Love of Christ has been perfected in my heart and empowers me to live victoriously over sin.
How is sin exceedingly sinful, drmark? My flesh I cherish, (take care of as my spirit container) Sin gives the law strength. I am glad the love of God is perfected in your heart, as God would see it.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/24/2008 11:08:52 PM
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How is sin exceedingly sinful, drmark? I'm sorry, I do not understand your question.
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Sin gives the law strength. I disagree. The Law shows the weakness of sin.
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I am glad the love of God is perfected in your heart, as God would see it. God has made my heart perfect in His Love; He does not merely "see it" that way!
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/25/2008 11:26:06 AM
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drmark,
the logos word, the word, THE WORD OF GOD IS Y'SHUA. There is one lawgiver who is able to save or destroy.
How is sin exceedingly sinful, drmark?
1Cor.15
[56] The strength of sin is the law.
I disagree with you- THE LAW< THE WORD OF GOD> SHOWS GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND MAKES SIN EXCEEDINGLY SINFUL.
My motivation for resisting the temptation to sin is, that is what God wants. I am no longer under the law, I am under grace. yep.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/25/2008 12:16:11 PM
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I disagree with you- THE LAW< THE WORD OF GOD> SHOWS GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND MAKES SIN EXCEEDINGLY SINFUL. I'll just let Paul answer you from Romans 7:7 - "What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law."
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My motivation for resisting the temptation to sin is, that is what God wants. I am no longer under the law, I am under grace. yep. Sounds good to me - we resist temptation by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit!
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/25/2008 3:32:50 PM
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drmark,
Maybe I should "rephrase" my position.  Your first disagreement with me was with my statement, that "the law condemns sin." Yes, drmark it most certainly does.
I don't disagree with you personally, but since you decided to contradict the WORD OF GOD, that the law condemns sin, I WILL disagree with how you disagree with what God's word plainly states.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/24/2008 11:37:03 AM
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The law is good- it does it's job. It condemns sin and kills my flesh. I can resist temptation better if my flesh is dead, and my spirit is alive and joined unto Christ.No dwain, the Law does not "condemn sin". The Law convicts us that our sin condemns us. The Law certainly does not "kill our flesh". Only by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit can we crucify the sinful nature. The only way to resist temptation consistently is to remain alive in the Spirit and dead to sin, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit! Thus I have no self-generated motivation for resisting the temptation to sin. Rather, I choose not to sin because the Love of Christ has been perfected in my heart and empowers me to live victoriously over sin.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/25/2008 4:18:04 PM
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Maybe I should "rephrase" my position. Your first disagreement with me was with my statement, that "the law condemns sin." Yes, drmark it most certainly does.
I don't disagree with you personally, but since you decided to contradict the WORD OF GOD, that the law condemns sin, I WILL disagree with how you disagree with what God's word plainly states. dwain, I really don't have time for semantic games. I think we both agree that God condemns us as sinners when we disobey His laws by failing to resist temptation. That is the relevant point to this discussion thread.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/25/2008 10:20:25 PM
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He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/27/2008 6:43:04 PM
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The law is good. The Torah convicts us, bearing witness we have the Holy
Spirit that agrees the Torah is good if used lawfully. Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God with all thy mind soul heart and strength, and thy neighbor as thyself. 
The Torah teaches of the need for Christ, as well as convicting and leading us to him. If we were pinballs , we would be bouncing off the law bumpers, and be seeking for the prize- in Christ as much as humanly possible.
Christ can convict as well as the Holy Spirit. Peter: "Lord, depart from me, I am a sinful man." Me: "Apart from you Lord, I am a sinful man." Does a level of maturity ever diminish our need for the Holy Spirit's guidance? I do not think so.
John 8:31, Y'shua: If ye continue in my word, ye are my disciples indeed.
Y'shua: Not my will (selfish as a man- mankind...) but Thine be done.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/28/2008 12:00:17 PM
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Christ can convict as well as the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is presently at the Father's Right Hand (Rom 8:34, Eph 1:20, Col 3:1) and thus unavailable for convicting you or me.
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Does a level of maturity ever diminish our need for the Holy Spirit's guidance? I do not think so. Let me be a little more emphatic. Absolutely not! Indeed, the only way we can be sure of resisting the temptation to sin is to depend totally and continually on the Holy Spirit for power and guidance.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/28/2008 4:41:09 PM
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Part of my motivation is I like the good fight of faith, I like donning the armour- Shield of Faith, Sword of the Spirit, Helmet of Salvation, Shoes of peace, and the reality belt of truth.
The least of these are worth fighting for, DRMARK.
Remember David used a slingshot though, and He's got 4 smooth stones left for smart elecs.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/28/2008 6:31:31 PM
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Part of my motivation is I like the good fight of faith, I like donning the armour According to Ephesians 6, we are to don our armor so that when the day of evil comes, we may be able to stand our ground. Personally, I prefer to let God do the fighting for me but that's just my individual personality, I suppose.
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Remember David used a slingshot though, and He's got 4 smooth stones left for smart elecs. Sorry dwain, you've lost me with this comment.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/29/2008 3:17:26 PM
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It is easier to come boldly to the throne of grace for mercy and help in time of need for the strength to resist sin, than it is to schlep back to God to forgive a specific sin.
Have a nice day. (in the Lord)
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 11/30/2008 4:17:16 PM
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It is easier to come boldly to the throne of grace for mercy and help in time of need for the strength to resist sin, than it is to schlep back to God to forgive a specific sin. I wish I could share your enthusiasm, dwain. But sadly, your claim is not supported by numerous posters on these Forums who admit to almost daily sinning, "schlepping", repenting, being forgiven, and going right back to sinning the next time. Personally, I also believe it is "easier" to allow the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit to strengthen me, but I cannot speak for others.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/1/2008 12:16:55 AM
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"What compels me to resist the temptation to sin is the thought that I could destroy the works of the devil in the process."
1John.3
[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Heb.2
[10] For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/1/2008 12:29:50 AM
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The book of Hebrews reminds us that we move on from the foundation that Christ has laid, that we are forgiven of sin, it's penalty, it's power and then finally, once and for all it's presence.
If I continue to sin deliberately, I begin to chip away at that foundation that has already been laid. "My motivation to resist the temptation to sin, is strengthened by the knowledge that all my sins are forgiven."
It is important to realize, we do face consequences for our sin. Thus, the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/1/2008 12:40:26 PM
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It is important to realize, we do face consequences for our sin. Thus, the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that our sins, even when forgiven, often lead to consequences for others and ourselves. I'm not sure how that relates to "the conviction of the Holy Spirit." The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin regardless of the consequences of our misbehavior. Indeed, some of the strongest conviction in my life has come during "secret sin" when no one but God knew and no one had suffered any detriment from my disobedience. Thus I had no consequences to face except my own humble sorrow in disappointing God.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/1/2008 3:50:36 PM
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The law is good- it does it's job. It condemns sin and kills my flesh. I can resist temptation better if my flesh is dead, and my spirit is alive and joined unto Christ. No dwain, the Law does not "condemn sin". The Law convicts us that our sin condemns us. The Law certainly does not "kill our flesh". Only by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit can we crucify the sinful nature. The only way to resist temptation consistently is to remain alive in the Spirit and dead to sin, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit! Thus I have no self-generated motivation for resisting the temptation to sin. Rather, I choose not to sin because the Love of Christ has been perfected in my heart and empowers me to live victoriously over sin.
This is good, drmark! You've put into (more) words my answer, JESUS. Thanks! LL
(Your 'more' words are helpful in explaining to others.)
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/1/2008 9:41:40 PM
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Add to your list the fact that there is within us as Christians a need for significance, a greatness that He has called us to which is unattainable while involved in sin. That desire to accomplish something for the kingdom, gives motivation for purifying one's life.
No "Sunday-School answers" here, flowery I-always -love Jesus goo. When Jesus was sweating blood in the garden, there was something big that He was called to, and if we expect to "follow" Jesus, we can expect that things get harder sometimes, -unless we aren't putting any roadblocks up for Satan, and he'll leave us alone. : )
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/4/2008 3:16:36 AM
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Eph.4
[30] And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Gal.1
[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Dwain's motivation, God's word.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/12/2008 1:22:01 AM
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For those who enter into the New Covenant God is never ever angry with you. He has never ever rebuked you. Now the Lord will show you when you do something wrong. It is not because it isn't paid for. He's already paid for your sins. But God knows when you yield to sin, you are opening up a door to the devil in your life. If you do that the enemy will come in, eat your lunch and pop your bag! Out of love, the Lord will tell you not to do that- not because He's going to hold it against you or withhold his blessings. He doesn't want satan to have an inroad into your life.
The War is Over
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/15/2008 10:03:41 AM
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The War is Over
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pg. 41
Me thinks that Mr. Womack is wrong.
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RE: What is your motivation for resisting temptation to... - 12/15/2008 10:40:05 AM
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He's already paid for your sins. Me thinks that Mr. Womack is wrong.
The Apostle John and the writer of Hebrews both think Mr Womack is wrong!
1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
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