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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/20/2008 4:09:12 PM
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deliveredarling
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It's also important to note that those in need are many times the immigrants. They get all the coverage a person can want while our own citizens who really need it get denied.
Our taxes are paying for them, while they pay no taxes at all.
Fact is, the system is severely broken and needs a reworking. Our government is and has been broken by greed and corruption. Another fact: It doesn't matter who is in office, somebody somewhere will have a problem with their platform.
You simply cannot please 100% of the people, 100% of the time.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/20/2008 4:18:02 PM
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It's also important to note that those in need are many times the immigrants. They get all the coverage a person can want while our own citizens who really need it get denied.
Our taxes are paying for them, while they pay no taxes at all.
"No taxes at all"? You talking in terms of absolutes or generalities?
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1424.html
I think your position needs a few more facts. You might want to re-word that.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/20/2008 7:13:50 PM
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No, I don't want to re word it. I was speaking in generalities. Your article is almost three years old.....
Do you really think there needs to be a debate about who gets priority in this country?
Just dial any customer service number and see what language the number 1 is attached to.
Hint: It's not English.....
Many do not pay taxes. If they aren't known, why would they risk becoming known by paying taxes? If they can get away with receiving benefits and not giving anything in return......
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/20/2008 8:31:48 PM
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A FYI...
the government does not need more tax monies. It needs to spend less. Money ain't the problem. Its getting elected by promising government programs that is.
The more the government takes in, the more they spend. We don't need to tax to balance the budget...we need to cut spending. Once we spend less, then we can cut taxes, which creates jobs, which in turn increases the tax rolls.
I know employers are targets. They need to pay for our health care. They need to pay higher wages. Thing is, no one wants to work hard to get them or educate themselves to become more viable empployees.
They just want and the government tells them its their right to want.
Its no wonder businesses are the new scapegoat in our increasingly liberal society.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/20/2008 11:25:55 PM
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A FYI...
the government does not need more tax monies. It needs to spend less. Money ain't the problem. Its getting elected by promising government programs that is.
The more the government takes in, the more they spend. We don't need to tax to balance the budget...we need to cut spending. Once we spend less, then we can cut taxes, which creates jobs, which in turn increases the tax rolls.
I know employers are targets. They need to pay for our health care. They need to pay higher wages. Thing is, no one wants to work hard to get them or educate themselves to become more viable empployees.
They just want and the government tells them its their right to want.
Its no wonder businesses are the new scapegoat in our increasingly liberal society.
I agree with everything you said, except:
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They need to pay for our health care.
WHY?
Why should an employer be obliged to pay their employee's Health Care? Health Care is a personal issue and should be the responsibility of those who want it. IMHO
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 7:44:08 AM
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They need to pay for our health care.
This is the position of many today who believe this...not me.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 8:03:23 AM
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They need to pay for our health care.
This is the position of many today who believe this...not me.
No, I don't take this position either, it's just another find example of the Entitlement mentality. What really bugs me is Gov. mandating or requiring that all employers have to provide health care for their employees or be fined --- that's what Obama & Hillary talked about doing, when talking everyone being covered by health care insurance, throughout their campaigns.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 8:57:06 AM
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Under our progressive system, sure they do.
Dan it has nothing to do with the progressive tax system. They pay more than a person who drives a car and it has NOTHING to do with their 'income" or "profitability".
I did use that term inappropriately. Yes, I do know the difference between corporate & personal income tax.
My point was that, the taxes are targeted to some areas partly to make up for other disparities (and also to make money for the gov't).
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Doesn't the "little guy" benefit from the delivery of food, etc. by the truck companies?
I've already said that everybody benefits three different times in this thread. Shall I say it again?
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She and husband "plan" to start tying to have a family soon whether or not she gets a job or insurance. She is planning on letting the "gov" pay for the medical bills and even food if they need it.
She believes that she has "paid" for this right.
What do you think?
It's a lousy, foolish, selfish attitude.
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I gotta point out that it is the rich who have taken the risks of investing their money into business ventures. It is they who stand to lose it all. Granted, there have been some businesses started on a shoestring and have been very successful (Hewlett-Packard for one), but most are heavily financed at the start. Why do you want to punish success? I don't understand.
Where have I said that I wanted to punish success?
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SEC and FCC oversight,
I'm not sure I would consider some of the onerous requirements theses agencies enact a benefit.
I'm sure they're not right all the time, but where would we be without them? The stock market would be an unregulated den of thieves and any business that depends on broadcast or wireless service would be at the mercy of any competitor or guy w/ a homemade radio jammer. There are lots of people making LOTS of money off these industries that would all be at serious risk if their was no oversight or regulation.
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military action (in some cases)
Riiiiggghhhttt!
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Unless you're claiming that the police are more apt to respond to them than anyone else I don't see your point.
You're telling me that Lockheed, Boeing, General Dynamics, Bechtel, Halliburton and others haven't all benefited from military action?
Also, a rich person generally has more wealth to protect (by virtue of being "rich"), so the security provided by the military (and police forces and legal systems, etc) is worth more to him in raw dollars than it is to a poor person.
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intellectual property enforcement,
So are you claiming that having created something it should be open for everyone to use without paying for? If I'm correct that is tantamount to legalized theft....which is simply another name for taxation
Where did I say that intellectual property enforcement was a bad thing? I didn't. Where did I say that everything should be open to everybody? I didn't. Please stop putting words in my mouth. All I said was that these actions generally benefit the rich more than than they do the poor - that's it. It's not moral; it's not immoral. It's just the way it is. I may as well have said that rocks are hard, mountains are big, and the sky is blue. I'm not making a moral judgment, just stating a fact.
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infrastructure development,
You mean like roads, bridges, airports etc? How does that benefit the rich more than the rest of us?
Again, I'm talking individual vs individual, not individual vs aggregate masses. The owner of a shipping company stands to benefit much more from improved infrastructure (highways, bridges, etc) than does a guy who works on an assembly line all day, because the owner of the shipping company is better able to put those assets to use in an income producing way. Those roads and bridges mean that he can send more trucks to more places and make more money. The guy on the assembly line uses the road to transport himself to work. Without the road, the assembly line guy would lose out on about ~$40K/yr. But without the roads, the shipping company owner would lose out on hundred(s) of thousands (potentially, obviously, every company has different finances).
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Why should an employer be obliged to pay their employee's Health Care? Health Care is a personal issue and should be the responsibility of those who want it. IMHO
It shouldn't be their responsibility, and in reality, it isn't (unless there are some state-specific laws I'm not aware of, which is possible). It's part of an overall compensation package that has become the norm in our country. Companies don't have to give two weeks vacation every year, but most do, because that's the norm and they want to remain competitive and attract good employees. The same goes for health insurance. Individual policies are fairly expensive and businesses (particularly large businesses) are in a better position to negotiate rates than are individuals.
Honest, I'm not a socialist, but I've recently heard some interesting arguments about nationalizing healthcare so that we can cut the tie between coverage and employment, because this link between the two is making us less competitive and innovative as a nation.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 11:26:16 AM
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Actually, Dan, there are many layers of laws about when an employer must offer health benefits, what those benefits must cover and which employers are included. Some are federal law, some are state. Sometimes state is strictest, sometimes federal is strictest.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 1:05:36 PM
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No, I don't want to re word it. I was speaking in generalities. Your article is almost three years old.....
I find it interesting how you defend your generalities and poo poo my 2.5 yo specifics.
I sort of expected you to provide an updated statistic or report or something somewhere to substantiate your outdated claim of the link I provided.
So by "many" you mean most? like 90%?
I'm just getting both sides of story at this point (and wading through emotionally charged muddy waters evidently)
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why would they risk becoming known by paying taxes?
I guess because all are not criminals. or "most" are not criminals.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/17/more_illegal_immigrants_are_rushing_to_file_taxes/?page=2
"Paying taxes, he said, shows a judge that they have good moral character, and he believes that it has helped."
I just think you would sound more reasonable in using suitable language by not letting your emotionalism color your speech with absolutes and unsubstantiated claims.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 2:33:45 PM
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Perhaps you didn't come out and say that success should be punished, but the tone of your posts have lead me to conclude that. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
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I gotta point out that it is the rich who have taken the risks of investing their money into business ventures. It is they who stand to lose it all. Granted, there have been some businesses started on a shoestring and have been very successful (Hewlett-Packard for one), but most are heavily financed at the start. Why do you want to punish success? I don't understand.
Where have I said that I wanted to punish success?
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 3:16:04 PM
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SEC and FCC oversight,
I'm not sure I would consider some of the onerous requirements theses agencies enact a benefit.
I'm sure they're not right all the time, but where would we be without them? The stock market would be an unregulated den of thieves and any business that depends on broadcast or wireless service would be at the mercy of any competitor or guy w/ a homemade radio jammer. There are lots of people making LOTS of money off these industries that would all be at serious risk if their was no oversight or regulation.
I'm not going to argue the merits or non-merits of regulation. I'm simply disputing the statement that the rich benefit more. I don;t think they do; in fact based on your comment I would say that they actually benefit less since if the market were not so heavily regulated then there would not be a limit on the amount that could be charged and the "little guy" would end up priced out of the market.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 3:30:25 PM
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Again, I'm talking individual vs individual, not individual vs aggregate masses. The owner of a shipping company stands to benefit much more from improved infrastructure (highways, bridges, etc) than does a guy who works on an assembly line all day, because the owner of the shipping company is better able to put those assets to use in an income producing way. Those roads and bridges mean that he can send more trucks to more places and make more money. The guy on the assembly line uses the road to transport himself to work. Without the road, the assembly line guy would lose out on about ~$40K/yr. But without the roads, the shipping company owner would lose out on hundred(s) of thousands (potentially, obviously, every company has different finances).
-Dan.
And my point is that this person is paying significantly more in taxes than the person working on an assembly line. You do realize that they are paying extremely large amounts of road tax, gas tax , registration that is far higher than the reg on the assembly line workers car/truck, as well as the added tax that the government imposes on all large vehicles that travel over the roads? Yes they may be benefiting but they are paying more for that benefit.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 8:01:52 PM
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I'm not going to argue the merits or non-merits of regulation. I'm simply disputing the statement that the rich benefit more. I don;t think they do; in fact based on your comment I would say that they actually benefit less since if the market were not so heavily regulated then there would not be a limit on the amount that could be charged and the "little guy" would end up priced out of the market.
Or confidence in the market could disappear completely and nobody would see it as a viable investment tool, thus destroying the industry.
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Again, I'm talking individual vs individual, not individual vs aggregate masses. The owner of a shipping company stands to benefit much more from improved infrastructure (highways, bridges, etc) than does a guy who works on an assembly line all day, because the owner of the shipping company is better able to put those assets to use in an income producing way. Those roads and bridges mean that he can send more trucks to more places and make more money. The guy on the assembly line uses the road to transport himself to work. Without the road, the assembly line guy would lose out on about ~$40K/yr. But without the roads, the shipping company owner would lose out on hundred(s) of thousands (potentially, obviously, every company has different finances).
-Dan.
And my point is that this person is paying significantly more in taxes than the person working on an assembly line. You do realize that they are paying extremely large amounts of road tax, gas tax , registration that is far higher than the reg on the assembly line workers car/truck, as well as the added tax that the government imposes on all large vehicles that travel over the roads? Yes they may be benefiting but they are paying more for that benefit.
I was merely using the trucking company as an example - and maybe it was a poor choice. It could be any number of the things I already mentioned. The jist is that if you've got more wealth to protect, your gov't-provided protection and security are more valuable. Through various business ventures, you are (or could be) in a better position to capitalize on a variety of gov't-backed activities.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 8:50:09 PM
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I was merely using the trucking company as an example - and maybe it was a poor choice. It could be any number of the things I already mentioned. The jist is that if you've got more wealth to protect, your gov't-provided protection and security are more valuable. Through various business ventures, you are (or could be) in a better position to capitalize on a variety of gov't-backed activities.
-Dan.
But at the same time they create more and contribute more so it is only right that they benefit more. They are not benefiting proportionally any more than anyone else.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 10:20:42 PM
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I work for an accounting firm that only works with those who make over $250,000. I enter in their tax data into our programs for the accountants. I see first hand how much these folks are already paying in taxes and I've come to the conclusion, it's just not worth it to be rich. The numbers are scary around tax season.
But let's take a look what I've seen and incorporate the numbers into Cory's financials. If he makes say, 1 million a year, take home pay. His taxes on April 15th would be around 400,000, so he only gets to keep 600,000. Next year, Obama will tax him even more, say around 600,000, leaving him with 400,000. Now before you start shouting Yipee!! 600,000 for me!!! I think you need to remember, that's 200,000 taken from an already unstable economy, unless of course, you can spend 200,000. I can't. Remember, Econ 101. You have to buy stuff to keep the economy going.
So the next year, maybe he brings in only 900,000. He is still taxed that same 600,000. Now he's only bringing in 300,000 and it's hard to keep the doors open, especially since he has personal bills to pay and a business to run. So now he has to lay off folks, close some of his satellites businesses, etc. just so he won't go under. Each year, his well keeps drying up. So then what? Run to another well, then another and another? Why is it folks think that the rich have a magic goose that lays the golden eggs. Believe it or not, folks, these rich people work very hard for the money. My accountants make over $250,000 a year and they are the ones who have had to work 7 days a week, on holidays and their work days are 7am - 8 pm. I'm not willing to work that hard. I don't think others are either. So before you start bashing the rich, saying they can handle losing all that money, just remember, they have the same desires and the same wants as you do. And if we keep taking their money, then they'll have no choice but to lay off folks and close businesses. TRust me, there is no money tree, golden gooses or pots of gold at the end of the rainbow for the rich. It's only blood, sweat and tears.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/21/2008 10:32:54 PM
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I'm not going to argue the merits or non-merits of regulation. I'm simply disputing the statement that the rich benefit more. I don;t think they do; in fact based on your comment I would say that they actually benefit less since if the market were not so heavily regulated then there would not be a limit on the amount that could be charged and the "little guy" would end up priced out of the market.
Or confidence in the market could disappear completely and nobody would see it as a viable investment tool, thus destroying the industry.
While that is entirely possible it simply points to the fact that the regulation protects everyopne equally. I fail to see how it benefits the rich more than the poor.
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Again, I'm talking individual vs individual, not individual vs aggregate masses. The owner of a shipping company stands to benefit much more from improved infrastructure (highways, bridges, etc) than does a guy who works on an assembly line all day, because the owner of the shipping company is better able to put those assets to use in an income producing way. Those roads and bridges mean that he can send more trucks to more places and make more money. The guy on the assembly line uses the road to transport himself to work. Without the road, the assembly line guy would lose out on about ~$40K/yr. But without the roads, the shipping company owner would lose out on hundred(s) of thousands (potentially, obviously, every company has different finances).
-Dan.
And my point is that this person is paying significantly more in taxes than the person working on an assembly line. You do realize that they are paying extremely large amounts of road tax, gas tax , registration that is far higher than the reg on the assembly line workers car/truck, as well as the added tax that the government imposes on all large vehicles that travel over the roads? Yes they may be benefiting but they are paying more for that benefit.
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I was merely using the trucking company as an example - and maybe it was a poor choice. It could be any number of the things I already mentioned. The jist is that if you've got more wealth to protect, your gov't-provided protection and security are more valuable. Through various business ventures, you are (or could be) in a better position to capitalize on a variety of gov't-backed activities.
-Dan.
And my point remains the same....those rich dudes are already paying more in taxes than the poor dudes for the benefits the recieve. Why should they have to pay still more?
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/22/2008 12:41:47 AM
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Why should an employer be obliged to pay their employee's Health Care? Health Care is a personal issue and should be the responsibility of those who want it. IMHO
The employer who doesn't help provide health care is at a disadvantage to the one who does.
Health Care is no longer a personal issue. As long as the government subsidizes it as much as it does no one can afford it who actually gets sick. The government either needs to get completely 100% out of it or completely 100% take it over. In 2001 half of all bankruptcies were because of medical bills and health care hasn't gotten cheaper. The number of people going through foreclosure who have been buried in medical bills is almost half. Your soon to be ex Republican President has chosen to bailout this current economic climate brought about by this by giving away over 1 trillion dollars this year. Obama is going to raise your taxes even more.
If that doesn't make Health Care more than just a "personal issue" I don't know what will.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/22/2008 9:54:16 AM
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I hope for your sake your family doesn't suffer during this economic downturn. However, since you seem so cavalier now about it for other people I won't feel too bad if you do now. You didn't always seem to be so callous towards other people's possible hard times. It's not something to make jokes about. But hey, I guess the koolaide was good.
Let me understand this. We should support the rich because they create jobs for the rest of us?
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/22/2008 11:01:34 AM
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Let me understand this. We should support the rich because they create jobs for the rest of us?
I'm terribly sorry but I've never heard of a job created for the charity of the worker. It was created to increase the owner's bottom line.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/22/2008 1:51:51 PM
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I hope for your sake your family doesn't suffer during this economic downturn. However, since you seem so cavalier now about it for other people I won't feel too bad if you do now. You didn't always seem to be so callous towards other people's possible hard times. It's not something to make jokes about. But hey, I guess the koolaide was good.
Let me understand this. We should support the rich because they create jobs for the rest of us?
FreddieD
It's the small businesses that employ most of the people in the US. So yes I think the tax structure should support the people who are employing a whole lot of people. If we don't then we can go back to Jimmy Carter's stagflation days or even worse.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/22/2008 4:02:52 PM
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It's the small businesses that employ most of the people in the US. So yes I think the tax structure should support the people who are employing a whole lot of people. If we don't then we can go back to Jimmy Carter's stagflation days or even worse.
Those are the types who aren't rich. : / I honestly believe people have no idea of the difference between a CEO of something like GM and the guy who owns the plumbing business.
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/22/2008 5:32:58 PM
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uh, yeah. How do you think jobs are created? By magic fairies who wave little wands? I mean, come on. There are people who are rich and own walmart, Factories, fast food restaurants, firms, etc. Look at Cory. He owns a large business that provides jobs. Do you honestly think we create jobs with monopoly money or the factory or firm just grows out of the ground?? And believe it or not, there are large firms, factories, etc in America. Trust me, they're there.
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I hope for your sake your family doesn't suffer during this economic downturn. However, since you seem so cavalier now about it for other people I won't feel too bad if you do now. You didn't always seem to be so callous towards other people's possible hard times. It's not something to make jokes about. But hey, I guess the koolaide was good.
Let me understand this. We should support the rich because they create jobs for the rest of us?
FreddieD
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/22/2008 6:45:09 PM
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It's the small businesses that employ most of the people in the US. So yes I think the tax structure should support the people who are employing a whole lot of people. If we don't then we can go back to Jimmy Carter's stagflation days or even worse.
Those are the types who aren't rich. : / I honestly believe people have no idea of the difference between a CEO of something like GM and the guy who owns the plumbing business.
I know. They may have assets that are worth a lot more but that isn't what they take home. Most small businesses reinvest in the business in order to keep open.
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right but the heart of the fool to the left.
Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Meet Cory the Driller: "I resent you, Mr. Obam... - 11/22/2008 8:08:34 PM
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I know. They may have assets that are worth a lot more but that isn't what they take home. Most small businesses reinvest in the business in order to keep open.
Of course I know that you know that. ; ) Not enough of the public knows. I had no idea until I once dated a woman who did the books/receptionist/ordering for a small factory and I'm probably still not that up to speed.
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I could wile away the hours
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Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain
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