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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/23/2010 10:30:49 PM
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"The one who is perfect in love and has reached the summit of detachment knows no distinction between one’s own and another’s, between faithful and unfaithful, between slave and freeman, or indeed between male and female. But having risen above the tyranny of the passions and looking to the one nature of men he regards all equally and is equally disposed toward all. For in him there is neither Greek nor Jew, neither male nor female, neither slave nor freeman, but Christ is everything and in everything."
--Maximus the Confessor
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/23/2010 11:31:09 PM
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"The one who is perfect in love and has reached the summit of detachment knows no distinction between one’s own and another’s, between faithful and unfaithful, between slave and freeman, or indeed between male and female. But having risen above the tyranny of the passions and looking to the one nature of men he regards all equally and is equally disposed toward all. For in him there is neither Greek nor Jew, neither male nor female, neither slave nor freeman, but Christ is everything and in everything."
--Maximus the Confessor
Dred,
I'm never quite sure when someone leaves a quote from the Bible, or in this case, a Church Father and Saint, with no comment to follow. IOW, what is the context in leaving such a quote? Is there a point you are trying to make, or did you just want to encourage the readers here with a quote from St. Maximus?
It's a beautiful quote but what is it that you want us to reflect upon?
Looking forward to your response.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/24/2010 12:56:53 PM
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Dred,
... or did you just want to encourage the readers here with a quote from St. Maximus?
That's it!
I was thinking of St. Maximus lately and looking a bit at his writings. I have a book which consists of translations of several of his works. It's been a while since I read it. I recall that when I had recently read it, I was listening to Ancient Faith Radio and recognized a quote as his (before that was confirmed) by his distinctive style.
I very much recommend his "Four Hundred Chapters on Love" to all. Some of his writings (particularly some of his other writings) can be difficult to follow. For one thing, he is known for exceptionally complex sentence structure at times. I recall some sentences which went on for half a page. But I could get a real sense of him as a person from his writings. I think this is common when we read entire works of the fathers, which I have not done nearly enough. Of course, this is the way we should read the fathers so that we get to know them as people rather than as "resources." So, I plan to do more of that. I confess the only early fathers I can recall reading in this way are Maximus, John Chrysostom, and Gregory of Nyssa (my patron saint). In each case, I found it a great experience which you just can't get by reading various quotes and selections.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/24/2010 3:44:54 PM
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Hello Heavendweller,
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Dred,
... or did you just want to encourage the readers here with a quote from St. Maximus?
That's it!
I was thinking of St. Maximus lately and looking a bit at his writings. I have a book which consists of translations of several of his works. It's been a while since I read it. I recall that when I had recently read it, I was listening to Ancient Faith Radio and recognized a quote as his (before that was confirmed) by his distinctive style.
I very much recommend his "Four Hundred Chapters on Love" to all.
Good afternoon Dred, and thank you for the writings of St. Maximus the Confessor and as I'm beginning to read them I'm reminded of 1 Corinthians 13 and Proverbs 9:10
Proverbs 9:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight.
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5 Quotes of St. Maximus the Confessor
"A faithful friend is a strong defense," for when his friend is prospering he is a good counselor and sympathetic collaborator, and when he is in distress he is his sincerest supporter and most sympathetic defender.
- St. Maximus the Confessor, Four Hundred Chapters on Love, Fourth Century, #99
http://genuineorthodoxchurch.com/5fromStMaximosConfessor.htm
http://genuineorthodoxchurch.com/index.htm
1 Corinthians 13
The Way of Love
1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/audio/flash_play.php?aid=21&book=53&chapter=13
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St. Maximus the Confessor has been mentioned 13 times here on crosswalk as far back as 8/13/2005 therefore, maybe, St. Maximus is one to pay attention too.
I would like to find where it says and if it says that St. Maximus the Confessor supports the Roman ways and what this would then mean for both the East and the West, if this means anything anymore...
...I have a question, is reconciliation something of interest between the East and the West, this question is in direct relation to that last penny...Matthew 5:21-26, but I'm not sure who is paying the last penny, the EO or the RC...
St. Maximus the Confessor has been mentioned 13 times here on crosswalk
http://forums.crosswalk.com/searchpro.aspx?phrase=St.+Maximus+the+Confessor&author=&forumid=cat_49&topicreply=both&message=body&timeframe=%3E&timefilter=0&language=single&top=300&criteria=AND&minRank=0&sortMethod=r&submitbutton=+OK+
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/25/2010 4:48:40 PM
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St. Maximus the Confessor has been mentioned 13 times here on crosswalk as far back as 8/13/2005 therefore, maybe, St. Maximus is one to pay attention too.
I would like to find where it says and if it says that St. Maximus the Confessor supports the Roman ways and what this would then mean for both the East and the West, if this means anything anymore...
...I have a question, is reconciliation something of interest between the East and the West, this question is in direct relation to that last penny...Matthew 5:21-26, but I'm not sure who is paying the last penny, the EO or the RC...
St. Maximus the Confessor has been mentioned 13 times here on crosswalk
http://forums.crosswalk.com/searchpro.aspx?phrase=St.+Maximus+the+Confessor&author=&forumid=cat_49&topicreply=both&message=body&timeframe=%3E&timefilter=0&language=single&top=300&criteria=AND&minRank=0&sortMethod=r&submitbutton=+OK+
Peter
Greetings Peter,
I'm glad you have enjoyed reading some of the "love chapters" of St. Maximus.
If you have an interest in Maximus, you may want to buy a little collection of his writings as I did. What I have is something I probably got through Amazon. It is published by the Paulist Press in "The Classics of Western Spirituality" collection. It starts with "The Trial of Maximus" in which you can learn more about the man himself and the great theological controversy of his time. It included the chapters on love and the chapters on knowledge, the "Commentary on Our Father," and ends with "The Church's Mystagogy." You might find that last chapter interesting, since he explains there how the Church and it's liturgy symbolizes certain things.
Maximus may be most known for his importance to Christology and other teachings, but he was primarily a monk and spiritual master. I think the best reason to read the fathers is for one's growth as a Christian, for they were generally very much concerned with this. If you read much of them, you will also, along the way, find what they really thought about certain "issues" which people may debate. However, I have a thought that if one seeks them primarily to prove or disprove certain points, one may be more likely to end up with an inaccurate impression on those things and miss what is more important.
May the peace of Christ be with you, my friend.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/25/2010 7:58:10 PM
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Greetings Peter,
I'm glad you have enjoyed reading some of the "love chapters" of St. Maximus.
If you have an interest in Maximus, you may want to buy a little collection of his writings as I did. What I have is something I probably got through Amazon. It is published by the Paulist Press in "The Classics of Western Spirituality" collection. It starts with "The Trial of Maximus" in which you can learn more about the man himself and the great theological controversy of his time. It included the chapters on love and the chapters on knowledge, the "Commentary on Our Father," and ends with "The Church's Mystagogy." You might find that last chapter interesting, since he explains there how the Church and it's liturgy symbolizes certain things.
Maximus may be most known for his importance to Christology and other teachings, but he was primarily a monk and spiritual master. I think the best reason to read the fathers is for one's growth as a Christian, for they were generally very much concerned with this. If you read much of them, you will also, along the way, find what they really thought about certain "issues" which people may debate. However, I have a thought that if one seeks them primarily to prove or disprove certain points, one may be more likely to end up with an inaccurate impression on those things and miss what is more important.
May the peace of Christ be with you, my friend.
May the peace of Christ also be with you, my friend Dred.
John 15
I Am the True Vine
1"I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. 4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
7If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples. 9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. 11These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.
12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 17These things I command you, so that you will love one another.
I have found what you have given me and again finding these writings bring's to my mind that certain joy that that woman had and then saying, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.'
Luke 15:9
9And when she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.'
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The Orthodox Bookstore
Specializing in writings from the Early Church Fathers.
The Orthodox Bookstore is listed as part of the Internet Orthodox Christian resources directories at http://www.orthodoxlinks.info/
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http://orthodoxbookstore.ecrater.com/c/434401/patristic-writings
http://orthodoxbookstore.ecrater.com/p/3018524/maximus-confessor-selected-writings
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/27/2010 1:29:24 AM
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Hello Dred,
I'm interested in ordering these three writing's and yes many more but I'm not sure why... though I am drawn to the EO with help from the RC and here is a little story that might show that.
Back in May/June of 06' just 3 to 4 months before starting RCIA on Sept 29, I was talking alot with father M., and boldly asking about his parish needing a Bible study class, after awhile he actually brought together 3 priests from other parishes including certain church members. After they assembled together then my fiance and I where called in and we had a certain kind of Bible reading and fellowship hour. It was nice and full of good memories that night we gathered. The parish priest had me start off with a topic to talk about so I began with questions about things from vactican 2 (the study revolved around that it seemed)...basically, during that time while I was attending that parish I was caring in hand these 3 books of vactican 2 around while attending this parish in order to get into some interesting conversations, eventually leading up to this certain meeting. One very encouraging father R. was there that night and he was one of Cardinal G. church overseers or something like that. He was very encouraging, at a certain time, I was speaking very excitedly and in such a way that father R. had to quiet me and he moved me aside from the others and he said, "that I shine the light of the Orthodox!" Of course I did not know what he meant then. Even though I was also attending services at an Orthodox Church down the road...You must know, I wasn't madeable to continue with the RCIA class because I would not participate in seeking intercession through Mary or any other Saint and that is why I wasn't even allowed to continue the class even though father M. encouraged me to continue the class. Later, in 2008 I invited a Russian Orthodox priest and his wife to my wedding. And thank you Dred for helping me in the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ to further learn about our faithful brothers who are of this most Holy faith. Amen and Amen.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/27/2010 2:58:46 PM
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I'm currently reading: http://genuineorthodoxchurch.com/index.htm
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Peter, that is not a place I'd recommend for learning about what you would call "mainstream" Orthodoxy. This is one of the small groups which broke communion with most of us, originally over a change in the calendar and a fear of too much ecumenism. I could give you more information, but this is not the place to do that.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 7/29/2010 12:39:58 PM
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I pray that all who come here to participate will have a blessed day today. May you be filled with thankfulness in your hearts for Christ our Savior. May His light and life shine through us to all with whom we come in contact.
I pray that we each may be given wisdom in such a way as to know how to communicate with one another here on this forum, and to do so with kindness and patience. And may we allow His wisdom to work in us and through us in our daily lives to communicate the love of the Father to all in our midst.
Forgive me, a sinner.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/1/2010 10:02:03 PM
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Today began our 2 week dormition fast, in preparation for the feast of the dormition of the most holy Theotokos on the 15th. I bid a fond farewell to my bacon breakfasts, but the bacon will be all the more delicious when it returns. We had an especially good time at church today.
It has been chronically hot here in Alabama. We are in for upper 90's again this week with morning lows only in the mid 70's. This time of the year is continually like that, with no respite. A few weeks ago, I took a 3 night backpacking trip in the Smoky Mountains, being careful to stay at altitude the whole time. The coolness was so refreshing. It is always a powerfully glorious time with God when walking about 10 miles a day in the mountains and remaining in outdoor beauty 24 hours a day. I barely eat enough since I have to carry all the food and the sleep tends to be light, but I feel so full of life out there. The next week, I took the whole family up to the mountains for some drive-in camping at Milehigh Campground in NC. I think it got all the way up to 70 degrees one day. We'll be going back soon. I recommend it to you all: go to the mountains and get some fresh air.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/3/2010 3:26:12 PM
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I meant to conclude that last post with "and that's the news from Northern Alabama, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average."
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Any Prairie Home Companion fans on here? I haven't heard that show in quite a while, but I sure did enjoy it.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/5/2010 12:57:35 AM
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Where is Walterquez?
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/5/2010 2:16:09 PM
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Where is Walterquez?
We haven't seen him here for a while, have we? I'm sure he's living life and enjoying his kids.
It looks like there's something interesting on TV Sunday evening:
The Patriarch of Constantinople on 60 Minutes
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/5/2010 9:01:41 PM
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Hi, I am still here.
It has been a long time since I posted. And yes, living life and enjoying the kids; well, one kid.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/7/2010 10:53:07 PM
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Where is Walterquez?
We haven't seen him here for a while, have we? I'm sure he's living life and enjoying his kids.
It looks like there's something interesting on TV Sunday evening:
The Patriarch of Constantinople on 60 Minutes
Thank you Dred I'll be watching the recording of this from the 60 minutes section on this website you gave. Personally, My old tv is shot and I haven't replaced it since April or so, so I'm not able to watch right now. But, thankfully this website you gave has it recorded.
Hello Walterquez, if when you have time maybe you'll be able to check up on my responses under your: The New Testament Church and Apostolic Succession thread, you know to make sure I'm not of topic to much.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/9/2010 11:10:11 PM
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Hey all MM here. Is it ok if I join in talking here? I’m not a Catholic. But I do have a friend Donna who lives in New York who is Roman Catholic. I am a Christian. Hey Jesus wants us to love everyone we can. He said do you greet your brethren only? Does not the world or tax collectors do this? The Lord is love and we can get along.
I would like to ask you guys Pope John Paul was indeed at least in my life time the most well known Pope and very liked. I believe the current Pope is George Benedict. If I am wrong please correct me. Is he liked as much as Pope John Paul? The Thing is Pope John Paul was in the papers all the time. How do you feel as the Pope of now? Do you like him? What would you say are the big differences between him now and Pope John Paul? As you’re Catholic you guys would know best. I’m just trying to learn and talk on a friendly basis.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/10/2010 9:40:22 AM
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White Tigers,
Welcome! There are both Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox that are part of this chat thread. Since I am Orthodox, I will wait for a Roman Catholic to answer your questions.
God Bless You.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/15/2010 3:19:43 PM
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White Tigers,
Welcome! There are both Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox that are part of this chat thread. Since I am Orthodox, I will wait for a Roman Catholic to answer your questions.
God Bless You.
I just happened to see a brief article very recently, focusing on Pope Benedict and relations with the Orthodox Church. So, while we are waiting for those who know him better...
Link to article
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/17/2010 4:02:47 PM
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I request your prayer for my youngest son (21 months), Ian Michael Smith. He's a delightful child and very spiritual. He loves to kiss icons and crosses and to take communion. He has a mardi gras necklace which he sometimes walks around with and swings like a censer, while making chanting noises. For those of you who don't know, he's imitating what priests or deacons do at church.
We started to notice his eyes looking crossed last Friday. It has become more pronounced and I saw him reaching for a small object this morning in the wrong place due to double vision. The more obvious, mundane causes have essentially been ruled out by local ophthalmologists and we'll be going for an MRI in Birmingham tomorrow in which he'll be fully sedated.
--Ed
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/19/2010 5:41:46 PM
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I request your prayer for my youngest son (21 months), Ian Michael Smith. He's a delightful child and very spiritual. He loves to kiss icons and crosses and to take communion. He has a mardi gras necklace which he sometimes walks around with and swings like a censer, while making chanting noises. For those of you who don't know, he's imitating what priests or deacons do at church.
We started to notice his eyes looking crossed last Friday. It has become more pronounced and I saw him reaching for a small object this morning in the wrong place due to double vision. The more obvious, mundane causes have essentially been ruled out by local ophthalmologists and we'll be going for an MRI in Birmingham tomorrow in which he'll be fully sedated.
--Ed
To give an update, the brain scan was all clear, so that is good. It is odd, because he is not technically farsighted, but on the high end of normal. Glasses will be tried and then alternating a patch over one eye and the other. In the worst case, he could end up going for eye surgery, but that is far better than brain surgery. Thank you for your prayers.
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RE: Ancient Communions Chat Thread - 8/19/2010 7:30:36 PM
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Hello Dred,
I'm glad you and your family are relieved and Thanks be to God that your son is well, Your welcome about the prayers for your family and son.
Peter
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