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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 2:00:41 AM
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Law-n-Gospel
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I feel a little out of place. Since we left our last church recently and have yet to find another...not sure where we will go.
It will feel very strange not to go to church on Resurrection Sunday to celebrate...but neither do I want to just open the phone book with my eyes closed and point my finger to choose a church...which is the only way to do it, because I know most of the churches around here, and know the theology doesn't come up to standard.
So I'm not sure what we'll do.
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I was in that situation for a while, but then i went to the "9 Marks ministry" website and found a great little church from their church finder, an SBC church with a 5 pointer in the pulpit. I was so filled with joy i felt Pentacostal!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 7:08:48 AM
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That's great, Dave, and gives me hope. I have been to the 9 Marks site, but there is nothing registered in my area.
I should probably go find the discussion concerning Passover and having a seder to post there, but since I don't frequent whatever other thread it is in, I'll just mention my perspective here...
We have done this a very few times. We used a Messianic liturgy to do so...and we studied it and tried to understand all it foreshadows before we celebrated it.
That was it's purpose...to learn more about Jesus and what he did for us, and to have some insight into what it must have been like for Jesus to celebrate that every year, knowing that it spoke about what was coming more clearly than it spoke of what was behind, and also that very few around him knew that it pointed ahead.
It was quite a moving experience, and very educational. I know Jesus better now--and that can't be a bad thing.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 8:42:11 AM
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Founders.org has a listing of RT Baptist churches by state.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 9:10:48 AM
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Thanks very much, Eutychus...
I navigated there and looked through the list: I notice that there are some churches in my area listed there that I know to be teaching legalism if not heresy. Maybe I'm too picky.
But I also notice that the little house church we have been attending is listed. That's a bit encouraging. Maybe we will go ahead and attend there this Sunday.
I have been listening to sermons by the pastor there, who has a couple of year's worth of sermons on Sermon Audio. One thing he mentioned in one of those sermons recently offended me, and that's why I've been holding off deciding to go there for this Sunday.
I think I'll email him and ask for an explanation of what he said. Might as well get the air cleared one way or the other. Perhaps he didn't mean it the way he said it...
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 10:01:50 AM
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Maybe I'm too picky.
It may seem to others, and even to yourself, that you're being picky but i dont think so. It is very hard to find a good church that teaches RT, or biblical doctrine as it is better known. You cant swing a dead cat by the tail without hitting a Dispensationalist Arminian type church, or a derivative of, for miles around where i live. I was a Schofieldian Dispensationalist/Arminian for well over two decades and i aint going back again. I went the AW Pink route and stopped going to church for two years because i couldn't bear the thought of sitting under that teaching anymore.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 10:03:49 AM
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...I was a Schofieldian Dispensationalist/Arminian for well over two decades and i aint going back again...
Same here, except it was for over 3 decades with me.
It's my opinion that the nature of Arminian theology leads to extreme judgmentalism - even within each church against other members. Truly a dog-eat-dog culture.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 10:44:39 AM
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It's my opinion that the nature of Arminian theology leads to extreme judgmentalism - even within each church against other members. Truly a dog-eat-dog culture.
If you follow that type of theology to it's logical conclusion, it cannot end otherwise.
I find it within myself, even though I am convinced of 5 point RT doctrine and have been for probably 3 years now. Which is probably part of the reason I struggle to find a place to worship, and left the last church I left. There's that bit of me that says "I can obey the Bible better than you can". Wretched (wo)man that I am.
It was mentioned many times during that decision-making period that I was much too fanatical because I believe that the Bible is truly to be lived by, and it was also stated that I must think I'm perfect and expect a perfect church.
Which is all bunk.
Ok...I confess to fanaticism in believing that the Bible CAN and SHOULD indeed be lived by, both individually and corporately. And that is truly why I left...because that congregation did not. They called it being merciful and being missional. I called it mercenary and loveless.
Funny...it was ok for them to criticize me in that way, but not ok for me to criticize them for not doing so...and certainly not ok for me to leave that gathering of people because of same.
Whatever. It's all quite confusing and I am not sure yet that I did the right thing. And it has caused me to be churchless during this season...quite disconcerting.
Nevertheless, I think that for that very reason it is good for me and my girls to be churchless for awhile. I need time to sort things out.
Currently I am enjoying reading The Body Dynamic by John MacArthur and re-reading Desiring God by John Piper, both of which are very encouraging. I hope that I can begin to understand what the "church", as in the local "church", is really for, and what is the right way, the God-centered way, to live and function in it.
This thread is also very encouraging. Thanks everyone, for your comments!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 10:53:20 AM
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Ok...I confess to fanaticism in believing that the Bible CAN and SHOULD indeed be lived by
To the church of the tares this is a blasphemous statement.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 11:25:20 AM
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It is very hard to find a good church that teaches RT, or biblical doctrine as it is better known.
Our family knows that all to well. Dh was about to give us when I had remembered a church that some friends of ours joined after they left the Baptist church where we bother attended. My friend had sent me an email about this Orthodox Presby. church in our area and at the time it sounded too weird to dh and so I forgot about it. We had finally had enough of the "fluff" and "me" teaching and I believe the Holy Sprit brought to mind the email that my friend had sent. Look up Op churches in your area and you might like it.
I would go on Easter because it should show their true colors.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 11:45:39 AM
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My brother attends a small, non-affiliated Baptist church. The teaching he and my SIL receive twice a week is better than some of the teaching I've heard in RT churches!
On a side note, my brother and I attended a Christian conference in Canada in the Fall and were surprised beyond belief to hear a message solely about Limited Atonement. We couldn't believe our ears! 
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/2/2010 12:42:15 PM
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As I consider the purpose of the church, I find that one of my questions is this:
Can one truly be a functioning part of a local body IF it's not really "local"?
Let's say you have to drive to the next town--say 30 minutes drive. Or further...maybe an hour?
We did that once, and it was very difficult. Since we didn't live in the same town, any outreach events our church did were focused on their town, not ours...which we didn't mind, except that it meant quite a drive for us to attend and help, and maybe multiple trips to set up, rehearse, whatever. We are the type that tend to be very involved in our churches.
When someone in our church was in crisis, we often didn't know about it...the news got around to everyone in town, but not to those out of town. And if we did hear about it, it was difficult to be able to be of any service.
We were there for 4 years before discovering the oppressively manipulative nature of the pastor, so it's do-able...I just wonder how effective it is, and whether it would be better to be closer to home if at all possible.
Your scriptural thoughts appreciated.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/3/2010 6:35:56 PM
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As I consider the purpose of the church, I find that one of my questions is this:
Can one truly be a functioning part of a local body IF it's not really "local"?
Let's say you have to drive to the next town--say 30 minutes drive. Or further...maybe an hour?
We did that once, and it was very difficult. Since we didn't live in the same town, any outreach events our church did were focused on their town, not ours...which we didn't mind, except that it meant quite a drive for us to attend and help, and maybe multiple trips to set up, rehearse, whatever. We are the type that tend to be very involved in our churches.
When someone in our church was in crisis, we often didn't know about it...the news got around to everyone in town, but not to those out of town. And if we did hear about it, it was difficult to be able to be of any service.
We were there for 4 years before discovering the oppressively manipulative nature of the pastor, so it's do-able...I just wonder how effective it is, and whether it would be better to be closer to home if at all possible.
Your scriptural thoughts appreciated.
shallbe
Hey there sister,
How are you doing otherwise. I find myself rejoicing in your "assembling together" quote.
My wife and I are having difficulties here in the resort area of the Hill Country of Texas. We've always felt the need to be in a local church, which is why so many denominations have been included in our membership record. But there is a standard with which we feel is required, and out here we just haven't found it.
I'm thinking of talking with the local Presbyterian Church about using their little cottage out by their columbarium. We could meet at times other than is "on the schedule for the Big church" and have a place for those who are fragrant intolerant, have some difficulties with a liberal orientation that keep slipping into teaching and preaching.
I'm not sure. I'll be checking back to see what folks respond. We are seeking to be family with a congregation. It has to be fleshed out in relationships. I believe that right relationships are the Rosetta Stone for unlocking many Biblical truthes expressed, from prior to the Creation to after the Second Coming.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/5/2010 1:44:06 PM
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There are sevral Reformed churches in the Dallas area. Park Cities Presbyterian is the biggest one in our area. I keep wanting to go there some Sunday but so far have not made it.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/6/2010 2:56:59 AM
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BTW gang,
Your sister, my wife Christine, can use your prayerful support on Wednesday 07APR10 as I'm undergoing surgery then. If you can remember her in an arrow prayer at least I'd appreciate it.
I'll be at the VA in San Antonio, and she'll be there through wakeup and all. She is concerned, and I am praying for peace and confidence in God in a special way for her.
Thanks!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/6/2010 9:55:30 AM
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BTW gang,
Your sister, my wife Christine, can use your prayerful support on Wednesday 07APR10 as I'm undergoing surgery then. If you can remember her in an arrow prayer at least I'd appreciate it.
I'll be at the VA in San Antonio, and she'll be there through wakeup and all. She is concerned, and I am praying for peace and confidence in God in a special way for her.
Thanks!
Praying for both of you!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/6/2010 8:40:02 PM
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Gralan,
I'll pray.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/6/2010 8:51:01 PM
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Your wife will be on my list tonight during prayer Gralan.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/7/2010 7:28:50 AM
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BTW gang,
Your sister, my wife Christine, can use your prayerful support on Wednesday 07APR10 as I'm undergoing surgery then. If you can remember her in an arrow prayer at least I'd appreciate it.
I'll be at the VA in San Antonio, and she'll be there through wakeup and all. She is concerned, and I am praying for peace and confidence in God in a special way for her.
Thanks!
I will also be praying for you both.
Bill J.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/7/2010 7:33:08 AM
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Will any of you be going to the National Conference being put on by Ligonier Minsistries (RC Sproul) in Orlando. I have never been to something like this before and thought I would go check it out since I am so close (About 60 Miles for me)
http://www.ligonier.org/events/2010-national/schedule/
(Hope it is alright to post a link..)
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/7/2010 10:04:19 PM
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Will any of you be going to the National Conference being put on by Ligonier Minsistries (RC Sproul) in Orlando. I have never been to something like this before and thought I would go check it out since I am so close (About 60 Miles for me)
http://www.ligonier.org/events/2010-national/schedule/
(Hope it is alright to post a link..)
Ohh, i wish!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/7/2010 10:14:12 PM
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Gralan, please give us an update when you can. Praying for you and your wife!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/7/2010 10:15:43 PM
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Will any of you be going to the National Conference being put on by Ligonier Minsistries (RC Sproul) in Orlando. I have never been to something like this before and thought I would go check it out since I am so close (About 60 Miles for me)
http://www.ligonier.org/events/2010-national/schedule/
(Hope it is alright to post a link..)
Ohh, i wish!
I went approximately four years ago when it was held in my neck of the woods. It was excellent. Hope you can make it!
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