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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/23/2010 1:55:22 PM
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Jeffriesw
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I've never been on this thread, but I was intrigued when I saw the link to the state-by-state listing of churches. Turns out that my wonderful home church, Grace Life Church of the Shoals is on there! I have to say that I don't know all of what RT is about, but what I read on that web-site sounds like what I believe. Who knew?
I sort of stumbled on RT myself that way. When I started reading the Bible after I got saved a couple of years ago I was always discussing things with my Pastor where I had recently started attending Church (Methodist  ) and he remarked to me that I sounded like a Calvanist, the way I viewed the Word when I approached him with questions.
I said a who? a What?
He had said it as sort of an offhand joke, but It started me a on a hunt to what a Calvanist was and what RT was.
All I knew at the time is that it lined up with what I had read in my Bible.
I am Still fairly ignorant about theology, but I keep readin and studyin the word and I will let it all work out in the end.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/23/2010 2:04:02 PM
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Jeffriesw
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It depends upon which church you go to. Hi, I'm gralan.
UPC up in Seattle, when I attended, had a time after the church service for folks to come up for prayer, healing, etc. The elders and pastors met up front with those who were coming for wholeness of a specific nature. It was classic charismatic, meaning that God acts through the Holy Spirit to perform works as God determines (including instant healing if need be.)
Manor Baptist Church in San Antonio, before they disincorporated, was more reformed theology than a number of Presbyterian churches I've attended. Many, including the modern push since the early 20th century, in the SBC just do not know their church history at all from what I've been able to glean from my experience in the SBC for over 5 years.
Yep, I agree
In 1999 I picked up some kneeling rails from an SBC church in the Texas Hill Country that was renovating their church after 80 years or so. You never know by a title.
IMO.
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We have 2 of them at our Church (SBC) Most people think they are footstools 
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/23/2010 7:34:49 PM
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Hello everyone...
After a very hard week, I had a few moments to pop in here and see what was going on. Tomorrow I have to attend my son's fiance's wedding shower two hours from here, and we are hauling some furniture to them, too...so only a few minutes.
I think it's funny that you are discussing how you came to RT. Want to know my story?
Well, it started when an acquaintance heard me say "What I know is that Jesus loves everyone".
To which he responded by looking at me quizzically and asking "you really believe that?" (in a very confrontational way.)
And he proceeded to quote the scripture about Jacob and Esau. And several others. At length, and ad nauseam...or at least until it was time for the next act, as we were the backstage musicians at the moment.
I was highly put off by his question, but I'm not one to leave a question like that alone. And God had plans...he had put other friends in my life who had RT and were talking about it, just not as, well, rudely, as this person.
I have come to know and love this "rude" person, even though he is known as somewhat controversial and crusty in his Calvinism, and sometimes embarrasses the rest of us by his passionate and rude delivery style.
It makes me chuckle when I think how God set me up.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/23/2010 9:40:51 PM
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Currently attending a reformed church, I like it a lot. No one's uncomfortable with the fact that I don't line up with Calvinism. For instance, I've no problem with being chosen (can't hide from what the Word explicitly says ), but I do take issue with "Limited Atonement". I don't care to diagnose that here, but jI ust wanted to say that I admire the acceptance I've been given in this fellowship.
There are some things I'd like feedback on; things I've remained mum about:
Except for a rare sprinkle once in a while, the fellowship is lilly white. I've no problem with that per se, nor with the music that obviously doesn't have any gospel or latin flavor. I really haven't studied this much on the web, but I'd like to find out where reformed fellowships in the U.S. are as far as outreach to non-whites at the homefront. I'm aware that presbyterians are strong in South Korea and that they are picking up in Turkey. And, I am acquainted with folks are are global medical missionaries through a PCA/Medical outreach program headquartered in Atlanta.
Another matter is a sense I have that some reformed see their faith almost more through the prism of what happened in the Swiss cantons and Wittenburg than from what flowed through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There seems to be a lack of emphasis on the grafted-in nature of believing gentiles.
I hope my oberservations are outlyers to reality . . . and I'd appreciate your thoughts.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/23/2010 10:19:28 PM
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Except for a rare sprinkle once in a while, the fellowship is lilly white.
I wonder if anybody has ever written on as to why Sundays seem so segregated, like you say there is usually a sprinkling in any given congregation, but all the churches i have ever attended were mostly white with the exception of a WOF church i attended for a few months that was pretty much 50-50 (that was over 25 years ago when i was a brand new christian and all churches were the same as far as i knew).
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Another matter is a sense I have that some reformed see their faith almost more through the prism of what happened in the Swiss cantons and Wittenburg than from what flowed through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There seems to be a lack of emphasis on the grafted-in nature of believing gentiles.
Good point, and one i had been guilty of, especially after having discovered RT for the first time and becoming myopic in my study of all things RT. I have been in contact with some folks who have taken it to such a level that i was left wondering if they had replaced reading the Bible in favor of the Institutes and puritanical writings.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 4/26/2010 12:35:10 PM
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.but none of them are without the annoying psychobabble
I'm so thankful our Pastor doesn't spew any of that garbage. Been there done that too many years. I'm very thankful that God used a past church friend to guide us to our current church home, an Orthodox Presbyterian. The teaching is wonderful and just want to share with those around me, unfortunatly I get fearful.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/1/2010 9:31:14 AM
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Gralan, my fellow central Texan...
I wouldn't state that it is ok to be mad at Jesus. But what I would say is this: if you have to be mad...if something in your life has gone so wrong that you really have to be mad...and you are mad and denying it would be silly, because God already knows...then please be mad at God. Because he's the only One Who can take it and not be damaged by it. And because He will, if you'll let Him, help you think and emote more correctly about the situation.
Does that make sense? Sometimes, when life is hard, I am mad. Just like my children are sometimes mad at me because of circumstances in their life that I cause for their good. Because of my maturity and perspective, though, I know that their anger is only because of their wrong perspective, and that someday they will thank me for what I've done that has made them mad. And I don't get too upset about their anger, and don't take it personally because of my own perspective.
I think God is like that.
It's not ok for my kids to be mad at me. But if they are, and try to hide it, then that's just as wrong. It would be better to have things open and honest between us.
Just because we are mad at God doesn't give us any rights to treat Him disrespectfully, though. Just like my children are still expected to express their anger in respectful ways.
Hopefully, someday, my children will learn that when I thwart their will it is for their best interest, and perhaps at some point they will learn that lesson so well they will no longer be angry with me.
Hopefully, someday, I will learn that when God thwarts my will, He has my best interest at heart, and I will cease to be angry when it happens.
Thoughts?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/1/2010 7:10:18 PM
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I agree completely, and tried to explain such on the thread I mentioned.
Isn't it interesting that those of a Reformed Tradition of the mind towards Christ tend to think alike on matters like this?
It isn't that we are superior, but rather in my awareness it is that those of us who are thinking disciples have had to deal with a lot of issues that other perspectives may brush aside or under the rug. Anti-intellectualism still has a stain upon those who reject knowledge over experience.
If I experience it, it doesn't mean it is true.
CSLewis, in God in the Dock, stated that truth is always about something, but reality is that about which truth is.
Let us worship God is spirit and in truth, in reality.
Always Reforming!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/4/2010 10:50:40 AM
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I'm not talking about hiding it, denying it or whatever other "real" thing people do with their anger.
As Christians, we must confess and repent of it...imo, especially when we focus our anger on God.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/4/2010 10:59:34 PM
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I'm not talking about hiding it, denying it or whatever other "real" thing people do with their anger.
As Christians, we must confess and repent of it...imo, especially when we focus our anger on God.
I agree. Since God is sovereign, to direct anger at Him is to say "You were wrong in allowing this thing to happen". That is not to say that we can always prevent that angry emotion from happening, we are still fallible people after all, but when we get a hold of our selves we should jump on it right away and repent of it, as you said.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/5/2010 8:30:01 AM
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I'm not talking about hiding it, denying it or whatever other "real" thing people do with their anger.
As Christians, we must confess and repent of it...imo, especially when we focus our anger on God.
I agree. Since God is sovereign, to direct anger at Him is to say "You were wrong in allowing this thing to happen". That is not to say that we can always prevent that angry emotion from happening, we are still fallible people after all, but when we get a hold of our selves we should jump on it right away and repent of it, as you said.
I do not disagree with this. No one asked whether it was ok to STAY mad at God...just if it was ok to BE mad at God.
And sometimes the realization that it is not God's "fault", but rather His plan, and a good one, is hard to swallow until time has passed and perspective has been given.
All I'm saying is that God will not slay you on the spot for being angry at Him when His plan has brought pain.
And sometimes I even pray that He will enable me to want to repent of that anger...because God gives repentance as well as faith, and without His help, we cannot repent, either.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/5/2010 8:42:52 AM
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Jeffriesw
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I'm not talking about hiding it, denying it or whatever other "real" thing people do with their anger.
As Christians, we must confess and repent of it...imo, especially when we focus our anger on God.
X's 2 !
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/5/2010 8:44:34 AM
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Jeffriesw
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Good Morning Everyone 
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/6/2010 8:12:12 AM
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I live northeast of Tampa and we haven't seen any rain in 4 or 5 days, wish we would get some though, my Yard is dry.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/6/2010 2:23:03 PM
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My hometown is Marianna, FL and it's in another world than Central or, especially, South Florida. When I was 17 (1969), I took a tour of Florida in a VW bus with one of my cousin's family. We drove down the west coast to Key West and back up the east coast with a few side trips further inland, camping out along the way. That was the first time I had a view of my state beyond the panhandle. It was a grand experience!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/9/2010 8:25:29 PM
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I read "The Shack" recently...I post this tidbit just to share that I was reminded how thankful I am to be Reformed. :)
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/9/2010 11:03:20 PM
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gralan
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I read "The Shack" recently...I post this tidbit just to share that I was reminded how thankful I am to be Reformed. :)
I read The Shack as a review for the Adult library we operated at our church, and I will have to second the thankfulness I have for my Reformed roots to sprouts.
Meruit ergo satisfaciendo, et merendo satisfecit.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/10/2010 10:19:13 AM
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Jeffriesw
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I live northeast of Tampa and we haven't seen any rain in 4 or 5 days, wish we would get some though, my Yard is dry.
 My hometown is south of Tampa...Old Sun City (not to be confused with Sun City Center) just outside Ruskin.
In fact, my momma is on her way up here from there now!
I miss the "old" Florida. 
Yeah, aint much of the old Florida left anymore, I am from Dade City about 30 miles NE of tampa. About 80% of the people here now are from up north  which has changed the culture a lot, not counting it is extrmely overcrowded and small town flavor is gone I do believe  .
When I grew my nearest neighbor was about a half a mile away, now there is about 2,498,416 people in that same spot (OK a slight exageration) stacked on top of each other.
Such a shame, but time marches on...
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