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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/22/2010 10:26:18 AM
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tdd1975
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I read "The Shack" recently...I post this tidbit just to share that I was reminded how thankful I am to be Reformed. :)
I read The Shack as a review for the Adult library we operated at our church, and I will have to second the thankfulness I have for my Reformed roots to sprouts.
Meruit ergo satisfaciendo, et merendo satisfecit.
I consider myself reformed and must confess that there were parts of the Shack that I really liked.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/22/2010 4:49:46 PM
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shemaromans
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I consider myself reformed and must confess that there were parts of the Shack that I really liked.
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Ha! No need to run. :) There were aspects and parts of it that I liked as well, but as a whole, the book is not this generation's "Pilgrim's Progress" nor is it theologically sound.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/22/2010 5:53:40 PM
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tdd1975
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I consider myself reformed and must confess that there were parts of the Shack that I really liked.
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Ha! No need to run. :) There were aspects and parts of it that I liked as well, but as a whole, the book is not this generation's "Pilgrim's Progress" nor is it theologically sound.
I agree. People comparing the Shack to Pilgrim's Progress is insulting in my opinion.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/22/2010 8:46:13 PM
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gralan
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I would recommend Lewis' Pilgrims Regress though.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/23/2010 1:48:48 PM
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I would recommend Lewis' Pilgrims Regress though.
 Definitely a great read. Love it!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/25/2010 7:37:07 AM
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Question among friends, not for inflammatory debate...
If you discover that a person cannot accept a literal 6-twenty-four-hour-day creation, does that automatically mean for you that they do not hold a high view of scripture, or that you would immediately change your posture toward them as far as a growing relationship was concerned?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/25/2010 12:29:49 PM
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gralan
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Question among friends, not for inflammatory debate...
If you discover that a person cannot accept a literal 6-twenty-four-hour-day creation, does that automatically mean for you that they do not hold a high view of scripture, or that you would immediately change your posture toward them as far as a growing relationship was concerned?
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I do not know why this would need to be an issue to divide over. Though the implications are readily seen by some of us to be endangering the integrity of the Scriptures, that is the same about any matters upon which people may hold differing positions on which are not true essentials for saving faith.
I consider the Bible to be inerrant in the most strenuous sense of the definition.
One of the real consequences of that position is that if the Bible alone is inerrant, then interpretations of the Bible are open to being errant. One cannot use that as justification for believing anything one might wish. This was expressly one of the risks the Reformers understood in pursuing the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, especially the venacular Bible.
There is God's intended revelation expressed in the Bible, inspired by God to be written. The subjects and the manners of expression were governed by God the Holy Spirit, in the sacred writers.
There are all kinds of ways in which we continue learning, and actually putting our trust in the integrity of God's Holy Writ. If we had to hold to a perfect knowledge of everything in order to be considered fellow Christians, I would dare say there would be few considered to be Christians. Of course, we know there are folks who think like that.
I would hope that all of us would listen to the Holy Spirit guide while walking through situations like these. Given the parameters you stated in the OP, and what isn't stated, I would hope that one could find unity in Christ and the common beliefs there with those who find it hard to understand 6-day creation.
It just might be that others might learn to accept the account of the literal 6 day creation because of our holding firm while loving them even though we disagreed with their opinion about the Genesis account.
I do not know of anyone who has been aggresively argued into the Kingdom, or into holding a mature knowledge of God, God's will and Jesus our Lord, and the Bible testimony.
But I know people who have been loved into maturity, and attracted to the Kingdom because of the differences they saw in those who were alive in Christ and dead to sin.
IMO.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/25/2010 8:06:42 PM
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shemaromans
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Question among friends, not for inflammatory debate...
If you discover that a person cannot accept a literal 6-twenty-four-hour-day creation, does that automatically mean for you that they do not hold a high view of scripture, or that you would immediately change your posture toward them as far as a growing relationship was concerned?
shallbe
Neither option immediately...Immediately, I would be curious to know what they believe about other important areas of scripture (as well as the implications of those beliefs) before later drawing a conclusion, which could differ from the two options offered in your post. 
In more detail regarding the potential for a relationship to grow, my curiosity would probably cause me to plateau--perhaps temporarily or perhaps definitely--before moving forward in the growing relationship, platonic or otherwise.
I would also pray about the discovery and ask God for His wisdom in the matter...but I'm sure you're already doing that, Shallbe!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/25/2010 8:21:42 PM
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Question among friends, not for inflammatory debate...
If you discover that a person cannot accept a literal 6-twenty-four-hour-day creation, does that automatically mean for you that they do not hold a high view of scripture, or that you would immediately change your posture toward them as far as a growing relationship was concerned?
shallbe
I would be wary since a rejection of literal days usually means that the person holds a theistic evolution position (in my experience), which for me would be a deal breaker.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/25/2010 9:13:07 PM
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ShallbeRebuilt
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Thanks very much...very balanced answers from you all. I do believe more discovery must occur before any change in direction of the relationship occurs.
Would anyone like to read the reply I made to this person's comments concerning their inability to accept the biblical position?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 5/28/2010 8:53:49 PM
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I have no problem believing that creation literally took place within the days described in Genesis.
Humanity could destroy everything in less than one day. God chooses to do things at a slower pace.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/4/2010 3:16:11 PM
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I may be mistaken but some of the Princton theologinas like Hodge and Warfield had no problem with old earth creationism
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/4/2010 11:53:22 PM
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gralan
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I thought the reply given was excellent, Shallbe.
There is mystery in our universe, our selves, each other, our faith, and our knowledge.
Why is it that the square root of pi keeps on going seemingly into infinity?
BTW, since science can only deal with what is provable fact and repeatable by other researchers, science factually cannot deal with beginnings or endings.
There are so many problems with dating material matter it is only not a mystery to those who don't think about it.
In terms of our faith, for those who can swallow the camel of the Resurrection but choke on the gnat of miracles, the mystery to me is how you can function that way?
The Bible says God created. The Bible doesn't tell us when, dispite what the numerologists want to infer.
First off, we do not have any idea how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden.
Hello?
The Bible does not say. Therefore, for us that particular is a mystery.
I know, we want to know everything. We want to be able to distinguish good knowledge from bad guesswork.
Great, it works, within the confines of reality God created.
God did not give us all the answers for every mystery.
Buck up, stand up, shuffle off, open that chute and trust that you are going safely to your destination.
IMO.
I mean, look at what we did with Calvinism?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/12/2010 10:29:04 AM
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Well,
This Sunday I'll be checking out Canyon Lake Presbyterian Church, here in the Hill Country of Texas. We'll be inquiring of membership there, unless God closes that door.
The flooding here has rearranged the landscape a little, and our runoff ditches are deeper.
I'm looking forward to building a BBQ/smoker that we can utilize with our RV and living situation. Making it efficient and portable are not necessarily synonamous terms.
I've enjoyed reviewing some history of the doctrine of Predestination. I'm gonna search for more info about Godeschalchus (9th century) the tortured absolute predestinarian, as well as the dissertations by Baroe and Plaifere (to the contrary opinion).
Any ideas on locating or understanding Strype's "Life of Whitgift" or "Apello Evangelium ?
I boiled some coffee up on the gas stove after the power went out due to our last storm. I forgot cheap coffee could taste better that way. haha
PAX
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/14/2010 12:45:28 PM
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please read this thread for an issue in my family that needs urgent prayer. http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_4872415/mpage_1/tm.htm purnhart's my sister
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/14/2010 8:49:42 PM
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gralan
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I'm praying not only for God's will in the immediate situation there, but for the extended relationships in your family.
I'm also praying that local Christians will wake up to assist you all.
Wow.
Wow.
I will go to the site and subscribe so that I can get updates.
Thanks brother for letting us know. For the life of me I cannot recall where you are, but if there's anyway it'll help for me to come I can pay my way there and back (probably ride my cycle.)
Please email me about that possibility. It isn't a problem, honest. I have no problem helping family out in real ways.
your fellow suffering servant,
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/21/2010 8:43:27 AM
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Well, I went to the Ligonier's National Conference in Orlando this weekend.
I have never been to anything like this before, let me tell you It was Great.
I was able to see quite a few of the speakers live and up front and had good fellowship with the people attending.
About went broke from the multiple trips into the bookstore though...
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/21/2010 12:27:43 PM
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So, I have a question.
If you have a friend who is theologically floofy (unsound), how much do you try to "fix" their theology?
Does it depend on the depth of the friendship? Or on how badly their theology is scrambled (for instance, would you work really hard if they were very messed up, or would you work less hard? Maybe you would work really hard if the theology was only a few ticks off, since you could bring them onto target easier?)?
How do you determine how much time to put into helping someone find better foundation for their faith?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/21/2010 1:00:13 PM
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gralan
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Well, I went to the Ligonier's National Conference in Orlando this weekend...
That sounds like it would have been fun for me. I enjoy their ministry.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/21/2010 1:01:51 PM
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ShallBeRebuilt:
Unless it's a salvation issue...I generally don't say much. Nothing bites faster or harder than a cornered Armenian or something to that effect. 
My best friend and I have many spiritual discussions and I know that despite our theological differences (she is definitely one for placing rocks around her borders, annointing her house with oil, etc.) we both love Jesus and I believe she is saved. At one time, we had a mutual friend who was constanly berating her with the gospel because this third friend (who was reformed) didn't believe she was saved and treated her like she was a complete idiot. Yeh  real nice.
I think for me, it is a matter of sharing my "hope" with those who have differing theologies. I found that living without assurance of your salvation is a scary and hopeless way to live.
I view it this way...The body of Christ has different members (finger, toe, eye, hand, foot, elbow, etc.) but all are part of His body. In the same way the Universal Body of Christ has different members (denominations) but are all part of His body as well.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/22/2010 12:20:43 AM
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Doink, that is so true and I needed to read that .
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 2010 edition - 6/22/2010 2:25:14 AM
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Such a delightful avatar Deb.
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Doink, that is so true and I needed to read that .
I needed to read that too, doinkdom!
In my current studies on Apologetics (oh I need lots of help), the authors are adamant that all believers need to be skilled apologists.
Now, I think we need each of us to be able to give a reason for the hope that lies within us, but (BIG BUT here) not all of us are to devote ourselves to a skill level of being even compared to a general practitioner in the medical field.
In fact, I think it is quite fine for most of us to be aware of apologetics at a level akin to trained in first-aid, while some others may be at a level in apologetics like a paramedic and emergency responders.
I am glad that I do not have to possess all my theological ducks in a row in order to be acceptable to God in Jesus Christ.
Having said that, I believe that God works through relationships we have with others - and that you may very well be instrumental in ways you might never know in influencing your friend by your life and witness.
Time will tell, I believe that's true. I have confidence God works all things together for good for those who love him.
Remember all, that the actual message of the angels was: "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."
God delights in His Children.
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