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the only true Church? - 11/6/2008 9:12:07 PM
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laditricia
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Sometimes i feel so foolish… ok here goes, while out with some friends one of the other ladies had asked about the church i have been attending, i told her it is a non-denominational church and that i found a strong sense of fellowship there. We talked about some of the sermons and i said i was so happy to be part of church that teaches the Gospel and is true to the word… she then she “well you know the ONLY True church is the Catholic Church and that is the only true religion, it even says so in the bible”.. she must of said it several times it almost felt like she wanted me to call her on it, i chose to just listen, though silently i was praying that the Holy Spirit would have given me the words to respond.
so i felt foolish cause i really didn’t know what to say, as a relatively new believer i didn’t know how to respond, i am reading the bible but I have not come across that statement so i couldn’t tell her she was wrong.
Can someone here tell me if they have read that in the bible, or if they have ever heard of this about the Catholic Church and religion, i am very curious.
Thank you in advance for any responses.
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/6/2008 9:31:42 PM
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The "church" are those who are born again and follow Christ. This title and honor does not belong to any particular denomination or church body. It is for those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and have asked Him into their hearts. I have read the Bible through several times and it does not name a particular denomination (or its origins) as being the true church. John 3:3 gives the criteria for being part of "the church".
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/6/2008 9:53:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: momma-mo
The "church" are those who are born again and follow Christ. This title and honor does not belong to any particular denomination or church body. It is for those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and have asked Him into their hearts. I have read the Bible through several times and it does not name a particular denomination (or its origins) as being the true church. John 3:3 gives the criteria for being part of "the church".
I agree with momma-mo. God is not a denomination, but a Spirit in which we worship.
The only true church is Church Philadephia as written in Revelation 3:7
and in case you need it when you speak with her again the term catholic has 2 meanings: 1 means Universal and as you well know the 2nd it is the denomination.
Do not allow your friend to try and bait you, believe me I had a run in with person on these legalistic views.
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/7/2008 7:20:49 AM
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The only true Church is all true Believers that have the inswelling of the Holy Spirit; and that would most likely include some Catholics, some Baptists, some Pentecostals, some Reformed, some Mormons, some Jehovah Witnesses, some who are not affiliated. etc.
Contrare to the belief of some groups it is not thier organization that saves, but faith is Christ as the Son of God and obedience to Him;
(Luk 6:46) And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/7/2008 7:33:45 AM
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Can someone here tell me if they have read that in the bible, or if they have ever heard of this about the Catholic Church and religion, i am very curious.
The word Catholic means "universal". However the Roman Catholic Church today is a specific organization. The claim of RCC supremacy is based on what is called apostolic succession, this is based on some verses where it seems Jesus tells Peter to run the church. Those verses say that Jesus will build the church upon the foundation of faith that Peter evidenced. The idea that one man was to run the church and presumably that he would pass it on to the next guy is not in the Bible.
What happened was that Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire during 300 years of intermittent persecution. The major cities like Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople, and Jerusalem all came to have their own organizations with one guy running things. The reason the RCC church became supreme in Western civilization is that the Roman Empire split into two halves and a few hundred years later, Islam took over the Eastern half. However, the Eastern church survived in Armenia, Greece, the Balkans, and Russia.
One can look at the religious wars of the 1600s in Europe and understand why people were so sick of religion that in the 1700s they started to accept the birth of secularism in the so called age of enlightenment.
Protestants often point at the RCC church and see a corruption of Christianity. One might make the case that turning Christianity into any kind of organized system is a corruption. The book of Galatians is a description of how easy it is for Christians to start down this road. Christianity is not about which organization is "right", it is about Jesus and if we are growing into His image or not.
Any church that helps your grow into the image of Christ is fulfilling the purpose of Ephesians four. Any church that offers a substitute is in danger of Galatians three (Oh, foolish Galatians...)
Jesus warns his disciples about the "leaven if the Pharisees". Consider just how much of the activity of organized religion is similar to the activities of the Pharisees. If a person continually tries to rub your nose in the superiority of their church you might ask;
If your church is the "true" church, it would follow that your people would be the most Christ-like. Do you offer yourself up for our examination as an example of Christ in the world today?
What is sad is how often we fail to see how far short we fall from the measure of Christ.
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/7/2008 8:40:16 AM
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I predict this thread will be closed in favor of a one stop catholic thread.
That said, I will endevor to address if there is "only one church" without attaching a particular denomination to it.
There are a LOT of groups that claim they have this revelation or that, pertaining to what is required for salvation; and since only THEY have that information or circumstance, they are by default the ONE TRUE CHURCH. It may be a particular set of acts and confessions, or a formula for baptism, or a unique doctrine or a historical precedent.
Ultimately these are all false bases. The true church is made up of all who have truly placed their faith in the biblical God and the atonement of His Son Jesus regardless of denominational grouping.(All who call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved - Acts 2 quoting Joel 2).
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/7/2008 9:12:29 AM
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she must of said it several times it almost felt like she wanted me to call her on it, i chose to just listen, though silently i was praying that the Holy Spirit would have given me the words to respond.
I would ask her to show you where in the Bible it says that. Heh, that lady is deeply deceived.
Then, I would ask her what the deal is with all the different churches in Revelation. Then, explain to her that Godliness is not about being part of a church organization... it is about being part of the body of Christ--that is God's church... all believers, one body, covered by the blood of Christ.
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/7/2008 9:18:46 AM
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How foolish and unbiblical of her to say.
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/7/2008 9:19:41 AM
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/7/2008 9:22:38 AM
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Can someone here tell me if they have read that in the bible, or if they have ever heard of this about the Catholic Church and religion, i am very curious.
Being Catholic, yeah, I've heard it. There are still some in our church who hold that view. The view that's held for most part, now days, though: ORIGINAL church? maybe/yes. ONLY TRUE church? No. The true church is (as rcjames pointed out) "all true Believers that have the inswelling of the Holy Spirit; and that would most likely include some Catholics, some Baptists, some Pentecostals, some Reformed, some Mormons, some Jehovah Witnesses, some who are not affiliated. etc."
And as for where it says that the Catholic Church is the only true religion in the Bible: It does not.
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RE: the only true Church? - 11/7/2008 10:14:20 AM
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We have a variety of threads on Catholic church issues. HERE is a directory of those. Please choose one of these to ask your question.
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